Simulator and mask
 

I keep seeing lots of memos about wearing masks. I haven't seen any about wearing them in the simulators. Gotta go to sim soon and was wondering what to expect. I think the briefing room is likely to be expected. How's it in the sim? How's the communication, etc?

Masks entire time. No headsets.

And no “O2” mask use in the sim either, correct?

Everywhere within TK except when eating and drinking... even during the pre/debriefs and within the sims.

Look up "when mask mandates get out of control" you see pictures of TK.
YES in sim! Unless instructor cool, once sim in air. The TK mask police are out in force.

Even before Covid, I usually found some way to bring food into the brief, or at least a drink....got to stay hydrated with all that dry air up in DEN.

yep and if/when the instructor is "cool", I can't think of any individual who has more lengthy close quarters interactions with more people from more states during any given week. sounds like a great plan.

It's a scientific fact that the folks who don't wear masks definitely don't care about your opinion of masks. We really don't.

Right on bro w/ 7 posts all about masks

Had to get a new name. Time to be full anonymous on the web as we work for an activist company that goes after people for saying anything about them on FB etc. Doesn't make my opinion any less valid. Our company has become an activist company with donations, bans, etc. I disagree with it. Don't need to get fired for it. Same with the masks. 1/2 the country is tired of the game. Clearly by my new name you could narrow me down to about 4000 people. Hopefully that satisfies whether I'm qualified to talk on the board or not.

Exactly. If people haven’t figured out by now that this isn’t about public health, but really about fear and control, then there’s no use wasting your breath.

Yep look at all those public health controls over in Japan and Taiwan. They are slaves. I’d rather have the mild Wuhan Flu run wild then sacrifice my freedoms. ‘MERICA!

It is not strange to me in slightest. I’ve been watching it for decades.

You could always “identify” emotionally as an under 2 yr old and be exempted from the mask policy.

Our future? He’s talking about right now. Also, why listen to what he has to say anyway?

Dude is already identifying intellectually as such

2 island nations in Asia as a comparison. That's perfect. We are SO much like them. Can't believe we didn't implement the same thing. Can't believe Americans didn't fall in line and do what the government said.

Come on, give it a rest bud. We all know who you are even with the new name. If you needed to make a new screen name to vent on APC it’s probably time to let the batteries recharge a bit.

Touché! :)

Who am I? I'd be impressed.

I disagree with the after takeoff checklist. Our company is an activist company and I'm tired of the game they make us play with running an after takeoff checklist. I don't need a checklist to tell me how to fly! It's about CONTROL! Who is our EMPLOYER to tell us how to fly an airplane? I read on facebook you fly better without checklists. Also, the checklist can cause infection and disease if you forget to wipe it down.



... Now do you see how stupid you sound? We don't need 13,000 pilots doing 13,000 different things, thanks.

I just hope that we can get back to needing 13,000 pilots within the next 5 years. I’ll be pleased if we actually need 70% of that by the end of 2021.

Takeoff checklists/flying airplanes and opinions about masks are identical. Opinions/funding about BLM and NRA etc also the same. See how stupid you sound? Grow up. You know exactly what I'm talking about. Most I know have deleted anything that associates them with UAL as the company goes after people for voicing opinions contrary to theirs on public issues on their own FB page. This excludes talking bad about your employer publicly. I get that. Though I disagree with that type of leadership. I was at the training center a little while back and there were 13k people doing 13k different things. Some wearing masks, some not.

I feel for you if its people from Minnesota. I wouldn't be able to deal with that accent for too long before slicing my wrists. :D:rolleyes: Not sure what the different states comment has to do with anything. Its the same virus everywhere.
I am curious to know if students have had to stop training because of infection, or if instructors have been infected by students. Certainly the shorter training events expose instructors to more risk. :cool:

Lol on MN. As for different states, everyone has a different perspective on mask use based on their local requirements. It could cause tension or misunderstandings at a minimum.

As for delayed training and quarantines for students/instructors, yeah that seems to be happening to some extent from what I know.

Not the same thing at all. One is SOP related to how we fly, and one isn't. The masks are SOP at the training center, in the crew room, and in the airplane, at least until the door is closed. Whether you agree with it or not, it doesn't matter. You don't get to pick and choose. I was at the training center not that long ago either and thankfully most people were doing pretty good with mask compliance, but one instructor was not. Thankfully I didn't get sick, but I would have been pretty mad if I had.

Any instructor that preaches the need for "deliberate practice" or "avoiding intentional non-compliance" (or whatever this week's LEAP buzzword is) while not wearing a mask should take a long, hard look in the mirror.

I always giggle when I read this stuff.
You guys argue with the professional opinions/facts of people at the top of their field, because of political opinion, facebook science, perceived government control, keeping the man down or because the my pillow guy said so.

BUT....

We all know that if the M.D. with a PPL came to your cockpit and started telling you how to do your job, because Facebook, you'd blow an absolute gasket!

Change my mind.

Just so long as the hat isn’t SOP :D

I went to the sim earlier this month. The following day I got a call that the observer had just tested positive for covid. Luckily we had worn masks the whole time.
Followed by quarantine, Covid test, return to work, etc. second notification of exposure within 30 days.

Why waste my time? You've formed your opinion over the past 10 months, and I doubt I'll change it with a post.

This thread has reach a level which goes beyond comment, but I'll make one anyway.

At this point in the "COVID" crisis it really doesn't matter any what more the real and actual effects of the virus are. We all know viruses can't be "controlled" by anyone or any government, however, that hasn't stopped anyone or any government from using it to their own personal advantage.

So what does this have to do with TK and masks?

UAL is a major Corporation and individuals will, not might, use the COVID excuse (real or not) to sue and enrich themselves. Therefore, I personal support UAL's efforts and similar efforts of small to large businesses to prevent these COVID thieves and robbers looting what isn't theirs from us.

Sadly there is almost zero recourse to oppose similar desires for personal enrichment and dominance by the world's so called leaders. If you don't believe me just go and read the many statements from "experts" when queried about mask wearing and other remedies after the population receives the vaccine.

They have found a simple and effective way through "a health crisis" to execute orders in violation of law and common sense. Something Alexander the Great would have marveled at had he had such resources in his day.

In the mean time, wear your mask in TK, mumble some personal protest, collect your paycheck and be thankful you haven't become an economic statistic.

Didn’t they shut down TK when someone tested positive in Mar/Apr..?

Sometimes a mask is just a mask, Freud. But I agree: the company has asked you to do so. It's SOP. It's a reasonable request and even the most fervent anti masker has to admit it ~may~ protect others as a form of source control, even if it doesn't personally protect you.

I’ve had two friends get phone calls 3 days after training that their sim instructor was now sick with Covid.

At my shop the last training event I had the sim instructor (who I had just had a few months prior) said, “The masks stay on in the sim.... there’s been some spread here in the center.”

Don’t need to tell me twice.
*All different airlines.

here’s the rub. And please don’t take from this comment that I’m “anti mask”. The sim is supposed to replicate line conditions. On the line, masks are optional. How can we enforce them in the sim if we claim to be replicating line conditions/rules?

The same way we only wear boom mikes and shoulder harnesses on the actual check???

really? That’s “the rub”? I’m not a mask fanatic, but it’s a small sacrifice to just get past this BS. I just went through a full training cycle, and I never left a sim session feeling like I was cheated of my “line conditions” because I had to wear a stupid piece of cloth over my face.
I actually prefer the mask to putting on headsets in the sim.

How did they deal with a full course and the O2 mask? I’ve never gone through a course without a required high dive or smoke/fumes event that required the mask.