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TodKindrsChikun 03-16-2021 07:07 PM


Originally Posted by oldmako (Post 3207873)
I can't believe how easily triggered some of you are. Thanks for meeting my expectations. I stick around just to annoy certain people.

Carry on!
https://static.clubs.nfl.com/image/p...fyzycwhnjv.jpg

There has to be a CORE 4 correlation in that pic. Mandingo?

Galaxy5 03-16-2021 07:21 PM


Originally Posted by oldmako (Post 3207873)
I can't believe how easily triggered some of you are. Thanks for meeting my expectations. I stick around just to annoy certain people.

Carry on!
https://static.clubs.nfl.com/image/p...fyzycwhnjv.jpg

Easily the only thing the Texans have going for them.

fanaticalflyer 03-16-2021 08:52 PM


Originally Posted by oldmako (Post 3207906)
Please excuse my skepticism. It's not my intention to micturate on your barbeque. I got hired in the late ESOP days. Unicorns, rainbows, all that, and was convinced that UA was going to be different. Nothing but a big plate of bonhomie! Most of the old guys were non-plussed and told me why. They were ultimately proven right.

Prior to UA, I was the lucky recipient of wonderful treatment by several other aviation enterprises. Only ONE of which never went Chap 11. Several simply went right out of business on payday leaving the employees holding the bag as creditors.

It's in my DNA. I hope for your sake that it won't be shoved into yours in the future.


Yup, and still a loser. Keep posting your lame fish chicks while sitting at home alone talking about those fake "There I was story, and who I was with garbage". Grow up and quit acting like a teenager with chic posters all over your wall. Never seen such a continual display of lame, jaded posts by someone that should be enjoying retirement. Again, such a shame. Feel sorry for those around you.

Huell 03-17-2021 02:24 AM


Originally Posted by 123494 (Post 3207910)
I’ve started to realize I don’t want to rely on those in charge for a pay check. I’m thinking I’m better off relying on my own abilities to be able to pay myself. It’s all smoke and mirrors with these companies.

Flight school I worked for went bankrupt. Restarted a year or so later but I left before it finally shut down.

Then went to a sleaze bag 135 operator with marginal planes and pilot pushers and an accident record and body count to show for the effort. They have always been profitable and are still in operation.

Corporation I flew for sold their plane.

The regional I flew for was not bad ... other than low pay ... but they shut down years ago.

Major airline 1 shut down.

Major airline 2 shut down.

Major airline 3 went Bk then terminated pensions but they are still operating.and lasted for my 29 years.

This is a tough bidness.

duvie 03-17-2021 05:39 AM


Originally Posted by oldmako (Post 3207906)
Please excuse my skepticism. It's not my intention to micturate on your barbeque. I got hired in the late ESOP days. Unicorns, rainbows, all that, and was convinced that UA was going to be different. Nothing but a big plate of bonhomie! Most of the old guys were non-plussed and told me why. They were ultimately proven right.

Prior to UA, I was the lucky recipient of wonderful treatment by several other aviation enterprises. Only ONE of which never went Chap 11. Several simply went right out of business on payday leaving the employees holding the bag as creditors.

It's in my DNA. I hope for your sake that it won't be shoved into yours in the future.

Skepticism is great, my philosophical heart burn is when you get reflexively pessimistic. There’s a pretty important difference, and although I reckon in your heart of hearts you understand the nuance, many people happily consume and regurgitate other peoples’ opinions as their own, without the benefit of having weighed and balanced the competing ideas that lead to the conclusion. When a guy like you can sow humor, wit and charisma into his arguments, it helps people swallow an idea that is largely devoid of nuance (all management is bad), that reduces our ability to accurately assess what is going on.

I know you understand that Kirby is a different animal than Tilton or Smisek, but your posts don’t reflect that. And as for your beef with TI, I don’t know him personally, but I still haven’t heard or seen anything to indicate he is a bad faith actor.

when everything is a threat, nothing is a threat. That’s where reflexive pessimism gets you. So while I really appreciate your posts as “one take of what’s happening,” I think a lot of people mistake your op-eds for the gospel and become unable to distinguish their frustration with unintended (small) LOA disparities in rewards, from the fact that we are realistically doing WAY WAY better than we should be for a year of sub 50% loads and never before seen cash burn.

123494 03-17-2021 06:22 AM


Originally Posted by Huell (Post 3208059)
Flight school I worked for went bankrupt. Restarted a year or so later but I left before it finally shut down.

Then went to a sleaze bag 135 operator with marginal planes and pilot pushers and an accident record and body count to show for the effort. They have always been profitable and are still in operation.

Corporation I flew for sold their plane.

The regional I flew for was not bad ... other than low pay ... but they shut down years ago.

Major airline 1 shut down.

Major airline 2 shut down.

Major airline 3 went Bk then terminated pensions but they are still operating.and lasted for my 29 years.

This is a tough bidness.

I know, I know. You’re a tough guy who has been around forever and seen everything there is to see. How can I thank you? Your tenacity is nothing short of breathtaking.

Airhoss 03-17-2021 07:30 AM


Originally Posted by 123494 (Post 3208109)
I know, I know. You’re a tough guy who has been around forever and seen everything there is to see. How can I thank you? Your tenacity is nothing short of breathtaking.

Apparently the comment to which you are replying went right over your head. TCAS alert DESCEND DESCEND NOW!

He’s agreeing with you sunshine.... If you can hang your shingle and go at it as your own man you’d better do it. Not having to count on corporate dirt bags for your living is a beautiful thing.

And it’s becoming more difficult all the time.

123494 03-17-2021 08:03 AM


Originally Posted by Airhoss (Post 3208136)
Apparently the comment to which you are replying went right over your head. TCAS alert DESCEND DESCEND NOW!

He’s agreeing with you sunshine.... If you can hang your shingle and go at it as your own man you’d better do it. Not having to count on corporate dirt bags for your living is a beautiful thing.

And it’s becoming more difficult all the time.

Airhoss, you’re right. I was quick to reply and it didn’t occur to me. I’m thinking this is the way for me to go as well. I will miss the DC contribution to the 401(k) but there’s more to life than money that I probably will never spend.

3EngineTaxi 03-17-2021 08:33 AM


Originally Posted by 123494 (Post 3208154)
Airhoss, you’re right. I was quick to reply and it didn’t occur to me. I’m thinking this is the way for me to go as well. I will miss the DC contribution to the 401(k) but there’s more to life than money that I probably will never spend.

Since you’re already a millionaire in your 20s, I think you have everything figured out already.

123494 03-17-2021 10:00 AM


Originally Posted by 3EngineTaxi (Post 3208162)
Since you’re already a millionaire in your 20s, I think you have everything figured out already.

I wish it were that easy. I always find myself thinking I’m not good enough.


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