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sleeves 04-02-2021 06:19 AM


Originally Posted by Chuck D (Post 3214448)
Full array of opinions on this. We're not going to effectively hash it all out in some Internet forum and we're all going to get pulled down into the mud by the least common denominator (probably by some guy talking about Hyundais and coal rolling if past is prologue). Am guessing you and I aren't conducting the interviews so go through the union if you have an opinion/suggestion you want to express on the process. It's still the company making the final decision. Once a pilot is here they're welcome in every sense of the word and it's on them to perform well and on us to mentor them as we all uphold the standards we expect of each other. They're high standards as they darn well need to be.

Well you pulled us into the mud with the “Pasty white guy” comment. Discrimination is discrimination. Giving special treatment or exclusion based on race, gender or sexual orientation is wrong.

Chuck D 04-02-2021 06:58 AM


Originally Posted by sleeves (Post 3215138)
Well you pulled us into the mud with the “Pasty white guy” comment. Discrimination is discrimination. Giving special treatment or exclusion based on race, gender or sexual orientation is wrong.

Ok my friend.I didn't think describing myself or around 95+% of the profession for the first 8 or so decades was mud wrestling. I think we've come a long way and there's not one simple solution but let's not pretend the old way of doing things was a process beyond reproach or didn't have its own forms of special treatment - intentional or not.

I am also fully convinced via, you know, our day to day job, that whatever our present methods are they seem to be attracting quality pilots. Let's be the airline everyone wants to fly for and we get to keep attracting great pilots and don't have to worry about these less than constructive conversations.

sleeves 04-02-2021 07:46 AM


Originally Posted by Chuck D (Post 3215165)
Ok my friend.I didn't think describing myself or around 95+% of the profession for the first 8 or so decades was mud wrestling. I think we've come a long way and there's not one simple solution but let's not pretend the old way of doing things was a process beyond reproach or didn't have its own forms of special treatment - intentional or not.

I am also fully convinced via, you know, our day to day job, that whatever our present methods are they seem to be attracting quality pilots. Let's be the airline everyone wants to fly for and we get to keep attracting great pilots and don't have to worry about these less than constructive conversations.

“Pasty white guy” is certainly not a compliment regardless if you are in that group or the amount of people you are discriminating against is large.

Chuck D 04-02-2021 07:52 AM

Fine. How about "charming charismatic Caucasian?" or insert your preferred adjective. The point remains.

mountains and molehills...

Squallrider 04-02-2021 08:07 AM

Got a invite today for what I’m guessing is Hogan. Two assessments?

MOGuy 04-02-2021 09:28 AM


Originally Posted by Squallrider (Post 3215210)
Got a invite today for what I’m guessing is Hogan. Two assessments?



There are two online assessments. One if I remember is to see if you’ll fit into the culture (asks situation questions specific to work) and the other is the Hogan.

Squallrider 04-02-2021 09:29 AM


Originally Posted by MOGuy (Post 3215269)
There are two online assessments. One if I remember is to see if you’ll fit into the culture (asks situation questions specific to work) and the other is the Hogan.

thanks!
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MOGuy 04-02-2021 09:33 AM


Originally Posted by Squallrider (Post 3215271)
thanks!
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congrats! ..........filler

Hilltopper89 04-02-2021 04:25 PM


Originally Posted by Squallrider (Post 3215210)
Got a invite today for what I’m guessing is Hogan. Two assessments?

Dude, that’s awesome. Hoping to see you on the line in a few months.

Squallrider 04-02-2021 05:51 PM


Originally Posted by Hilltopper89 (Post 3215541)
Dude, that’s awesome. Hoping to see you on the line in a few months.

Will have to see ha taking assessment tomorrow morning. I think there are 300 CJOs out there so even if half take it it will still be a while I would think


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