Originally Posted by Oletimer (Post 3250038)

That's a great point. That's no good. But, you and I know it's far worse than that. I can point to at least 7 people hired here that would have only had the flight time/qualificaitons to get on at a regional, at the time/date they were hired. However, due to their influence and connections, their lack of experience was overlooked or set a side.

My major point is this: I believe experience is a valuable teacher. One that cannot be immulated or short-cut. Experience, adn that building block aproach builds judgment. Someday when you upgrade, you lean on that judgement and pull from your past experiences. I would disagree with any process that short-cuts the building of, and the value of experience.

I think you get my drift.

Originally Posted by Oletimer (Post 3250038)

That's a great point. That's no good. But, you and I know it's far worse than that. I can point to at least 7 people hired here that would have only had the flight time/qualificaitons to get on at a regional, at the time/date they were hired. However, due to their influence and connections, their lack of experience was overlooked or set a side.

My major point is this: I believe experience is a valuable teacher. One that cannot be immulated or short-cut. Experience, adn that building block aproach builds judgment. Someday when you upgrade, you lean on that judgement and pull from your past experiences. I would disagree with any process that short-cuts the building of, and the value of experience.

Lowering hiring minimums is akin to devaluing experience. Experience is the best teacher and therefore should not be marganilized or minimized, in partcular by HR who are setting minority quotas. We can call it "diversity" or whatever the buzz word of the day is. I call it "devaluing experience." The devaluing of experience will have an impact on safety. Maybe not today, but when you want to lean on and pull from that experience, it won't be there.

The other day, I went to look up something in my IPAD about windshear takeoffs as some foul WX aproached our runway for take off.. My IPAD froze on me. I had to lean on my experience. Sometimes our Ipads just don't work. I think you get my drift.

Originally Posted by idlethrust (Post 3250117)

What is there to look up regarding windshear takeoffs ? Windshear =no take off
you wait . Easy

Originally Posted by BobbyLeeSwagger (Post 3250059)

Let me ask you this.. what do you check if you're half white, half Mexican? This has been the great riddle of my life...

https://i.ibb.co/3rXW562/Screenshot-...743-Chrome.jpg

Originally Posted by JoePatroni (Post 3250068)

I completely get it and wholeheartedly agree, unfortunately that doesn’t translate to the real
world. Continental had a 777 blow all the tires in PEK for this very reason but nothing changed then and nothing is different now.

Originally Posted by Airhoss (Post 3250298)

Yep she was one of those out of seniority “captains” that came from CAL’s training center. And that has changed and is very different now. There are still a few of these neophytes around that were “grandfathered” in after the merger but the practice of making instructors into captains out of seniority doesn’t happen at UAL In fact except for the dozen or so grandfathered instructors that are left over, if you’re an instructor (FI/E) at TK you can not fly left seat EVEN if you have the seniority to hold it. FI/E (AKA “PI”) = F/O no matter what your seniority holds.

Originally Posted by Oletimer (Post 3250156)

It had been a long time. I wanted to look up the V speed additive process. I had ram-dumped everything I knew off the Airbus and recently changed fleets. Two planes in my head. Thought the book would be a good thing to reference. When you go Boeing to Airbus and back to Boeing in 7 months you might forget some details, or inadvertently mix it up. Why do you ask?

Originally Posted by Tony Nelson (Post 3250289)

Just say you identify as all of them and check every box.....

Originally Posted by BobbyLeeSwagger (Post 3250444)

Ah, but see the last box? It says if you identify as two or more races, you can't be Hispanic or Latino. Other EEO boxes specifically make you check: White, Not Hispanic. It's quite presumptuous and I am now triggered, again.

Originally Posted by Broncofan (Post 3250469)

just put Latino. No one is going to question you on it. If they do they know there could be a potential law suit.

Originally Posted by Flydafe;[url=tel:3245539

3245539[/url]]This thread is still alive? To sum it up for any new readers... one side thinks that hiring minorities and women is equal to hiring under qualified pilots. The other side is saying more qualified pilots are being passed over as a result.

All the other stuff is fluff and politics.

Let this thread die. None of us are in charge of the hiring department.

Originally Posted by Tony Nelson;[url=tel:3250289

3250289[/url]]Just say you identify as all of them and check every box.....

Originally Posted by Hedley (Post 3250986)

https://onemileatatime.com/news/unit...nce-standards/

Now new uniform guidelines in the name of dei. Bet they still expect us to wear a hat.

Originally Posted by LAXtoDEN (Post 3251000)

After briefly reading through your posted article, probably the contrary. Now those tools with the “arm tattoo sleeves” will be able to wear short sleeve pilot shirts. Go United! So diverse! 🙄

Originally Posted by idlethrust (Post 3251105)

Uniforms keep everyones dress code relatively the same for the most part . With this new idea , there will be a lot of people that will bend the rules beyond what is allowed.
Fa’s and pilots with nose rings and visible tattoos will not be a good look . Don’t know how the flying public will respond to this .
But hey , bring back the pork chop sideburns and porn mustache , fu man chu’s while you’re at it .
Thats diverse right ???

Originally Posted by idlethrust (Post 3251105)

Uniforms keep everyones dress code relatively the same for the most part . With this new idea , there will be a lot of people that will bend the rules beyond what is allowed.
Fa’s and pilots with nose rings and visible tattoos will not be a good look . Don’t know how the flying public will respond to this .
But hey , bring back the pork chop sideburns and porn mustache , fu man chu’s while you’re at it .
Thats diverse right ???

Originally Posted by Airhoss (Post 3251293)

The last time I was in the ER my attending physician had full sleeve tattoos including his hands.

Times they are a changing.

Originally Posted by KonaJoe (Post 3251329)

We should be more like cruise ship officers. No ties and no hats, plenty of stripes though.

Ties only in winter with the jacket. Basically Guam.

​​​​​​You know... Since we're changing everything.

Originally Posted by Airhoss (Post 3251293)

The last time I was in the ER my attending physician had full sleeve tattoos including his hands.

Times they are a changing.

Originally Posted by Airhoss (Post 3251293)

The last time I was in the ER my attending physician had full sleeve tattoos including his hands.

Times they are a changing.

Originally Posted by JoePatroni (Post 3251405)

If he had a tear drop tat on his face, you may want to look for another hospital. :)

Originally Posted by Airhoss;[url=tel:3251293

3251293[/url]]The last time I was in the ER my attending physician had full sleeve tattoos including his hands.

Times they are a changing.

Originally Posted by Grumpyaviator (Post 3251432)

you might want to inventory your innards.

Originally Posted by Bestglide (Post 3251442)

shouldn’t everyone wear 4 stripes on their uniform. You know…. to make everyone feel more equal and inclusive.
after all to have just one person wearing 4 bars is racist. mysoginistic and homophobic.

Originally Posted by AxlF16 (Post 3251450)

You seem fragile. I'd allow you to wear 5 stripes.

Originally Posted by Wingedbeast (Post 3251715)

GET RID OF TIES! They remind me of penises.

Originally Posted by hummingbear (Post 3251951)

Do you find that happens with a lot of things?