Originally Posted by Oletimer (Post 3250038)

That's a great point. That's no good. But, you and I know it's far worse than that. I can point to at least 7 people hired here that would have only had the flight time/qualificaitons to get on at a regional, at the time/date they were hired. However, due to their influence and connections, their lack of experience was overlooked or set a side.

My major point is this: I believe experience is a valuable teacher. One that cannot be immulated or short-cut. Experience, adn that building block aproach builds judgment. Someday when you upgrade, you lean on that judgement and pull from your past experiences. I would disagree with any process that short-cuts the building of, and the value of experience.

I think you get my drift.

Originally Posted by Oletimer (Post 3250038)

That's a great point. That's no good. But, you and I know it's far worse than that. I can point to at least 7 people hired here that would have only had the flight time/qualificaitons to get on at a regional, at the time/date they were hired. However, due to their influence and connections, their lack of experience was overlooked or set a side.

My major point is this: I believe experience is a valuable teacher. One that cannot be immulated or short-cut. Experience, adn that building block aproach builds judgment. Someday when you upgrade, you lean on that judgement and pull from your past experiences. I would disagree with any process that short-cuts the building of, and the value of experience.

Lowering hiring minimums is akin to devaluing experience. Experience is the best teacher and therefore should not be marganilized or minimized, in partcular by HR who are setting minority quotas. We can call it "diversity" or whatever the buzz word of the day is. I call it "devaluing experience." The devaluing of experience will have an impact on safety. Maybe not today, but when you want to lean on and pull from that experience, it won't be there.

The other day, I went to look up something in my IPAD about windshear takeoffs as some foul WX aproached our runway for take off.. My IPAD froze on me. I had to lean on my experience. Sometimes our Ipads just don't work. I think you get my drift.

Originally Posted by idlethrust (Post 3250117)

What is there to look up regarding windshear takeoffs ? Windshear =no take off
you wait . Easy

Originally Posted by BobbyLeeSwagger (Post 3250059)

Let me ask you this.. what do you check if you're half white, half Mexican? This has been the great riddle of my life...

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Originally Posted by JoePatroni (Post 3250068)

I completely get it and wholeheartedly agree, unfortunately that doesn’t translate to the real
world. Continental had a 777 blow all the tires in PEK for this very reason but nothing changed then and nothing is different now.

Originally Posted by Airhoss (Post 3250298)

Yep she was one of those out of seniority “captains” that came from CAL’s training center. And that has changed and is very different now. There are still a few of these neophytes around that were “grandfathered” in after the merger but the practice of making instructors into captains out of seniority doesn’t happen at UAL In fact except for the dozen or so grandfathered instructors that are left over, if you’re an instructor (FI/E) at TK you can not fly left seat EVEN if you have the seniority to hold it. FI/E (AKA “PI”) = F/O no matter what your seniority holds.

Originally Posted by Oletimer (Post 3250156)

It had been a long time. I wanted to look up the V speed additive process. I had ram-dumped everything I knew off the Airbus and recently changed fleets. Two planes in my head. Thought the book would be a good thing to reference. When you go Boeing to Airbus and back to Boeing in 7 months you might forget some details, or inadvertently mix it up. Why do you ask?

Originally Posted by Tony Nelson (Post 3250289)

Just say you identify as all of them and check every box.....

Originally Posted by BobbyLeeSwagger (Post 3250444)

Ah, but see the last box? It says if you identify as two or more races, you can't be Hispanic or Latino. Other EEO boxes specifically make you check: White, Not Hispanic. It's quite presumptuous and I am now triggered, again.