Sorry to hear that. Hope he'll be OK.
I had Covid and got the shot in spite of testing positive for antibodies. However, I still think it's every person's choice whether or not to get vaccinated.

Absolutely. Kirby necessarily weilds the kind of authoritarian control over his employees typically reserved for battlefield commanders. A family shouldn't trust their loved ones to make such critical medical decisions for themselves. Who's gonna explain to their family why they died? Who's going to be responsible for that? Every time I go to work my family understands that my life is completely in Kirby's hands. I'm glad to see it's not a responsibility he takes lightly. I know his decisions are in the best interest of our wider family and our shared mission. No one should have to receive one of these letters ever again.

8 Nov 21 OPINION & ORDER : Bound by precedent, the Court concludes that Plaintiffs have not clearly carried their burden to show they would likely suffer imminent, irreparable injury absent an injunction. The Court thus DENIES Plaintiffs Motion for Preliminary Injunction. (Ordered by Judge Mark Pittman on 11/07/2021)

Nope……This is not a battle field this is a job. Kirby is a CEO not a battle field commander. You need to come back to reality.

[QUOTE]A family shouldn't trust their loved ones to make such critical medical decisions for themselves. [\QUOTE]
Is Kirby your medical power of attorney? Your medical decisions are those of you and your family exclusively. If you’re entrusting a CEO to make your medical decisions for you… You’ve got some major issues.

[QUOTE]Every time I go to work my family understands that my life is completely in Kirby's hands.[\QUOTE]
WHAT?????? Are you on mind altering medication and or should you be? Your life is in your hands not the hands of some corporate CEO whom you have an apparent grandiose fantasy that he’s some kind of a god!

While Kirby talks a good game he doesn’t put his money where his mouth is. Get a hold of the COVID peeps and let them know that you’ve got a case of the sniffles. Even with a negative COVID test you’ll be grounded for 10 days. See if the old Kribster is willing to reimburse the sick leave you were forced to use. Buzz kill… He won’t. Hey how about reporting that you were in close contact with a COVID positive person. That’s a 14 day grounding and guess what Virgina, UAL won’t cover the sick time you’re forced to use.

Best interest my ASH!

And that’s exactly why people don’t report exposure or symptoms without a positive test. I can’t say that I blame them. It would be a great way to really burn your sick bank down to zero if you’re close to retirement.

Bazingo!!!

The policy as it stands completely destroys its effectiveness and purpose. If Kirby really wanted to prevent COVID-19 by grounding any pilot with symptoms he’d be covering used sick list time, sick list that you will be FORCED to use whether you are still sick or not. As the policy stands being a boy scout and reporting yourself for cold or flu like symptoms is punitive.

I agree completely, but I’m betting that this Boy Scout is off for Christmas this year. There will probably be a bunch of sniffles and flu like symptoms around then. Cough.

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Smart....F it up for everybody. Especially your fellow pilots and our passengers. I can see the single pilot and no pilot issue being put on the fast track.

Save the industry and the profession if you want. I’m burning my sick time and not leaving this place with one minute in my bank. It’s part of our negotiated compensation package, and I intend to use it.

I used every minute of mine as well. However I didn’t use it as retribution or to make a political statement. Best Regards.

It’s not a political statement or retribution, just a way to burn time and improve my schedule. If they require 10-14 days down, just bid some junk trips and use the system to your advantage. We get 60 hours per year and can’t take it with us when we leave.

Anyone still wondering why the company isn’t covering sick time for COVID-type symptoms? 🤔

Because money is more important than the effective prevention of COVID..

Yep, and we can use their policies to our advantage as well. If you get sick and have a negative covid test, stay home until you are well and don’t report it to avoid burning more hours than you want to. If you get a positive test, then absolutely report it. If you want to stretch your sick call into 2 trips and you don’t have covid, just report your symptoms and go fishing.

Back to the TRO topic. Has the company released any statement on the ruling or their plans other than that they are pleased with the outcome? All I read is that they will allow those who were granted exemptions the opportunity to apply to other positions that don’t face the public, but nothing about when pay will be suspended or how the separation of the handful of pilots who refused to get vaccinated without an exemption will be handled.

Your sick time is yours but I wouldn't be telegraphing my future sick calls on the interwebs. Management could piece together who is who and they have demonstrated that they are on here. Just a thought.

No doubt. But one can’t express an intention to place a phony sick call & marvel at why the company would be reluctant to cover the cost of said sick calls in the same breath.

My post was poorly worded. I will be off Christmas because I’ll just bid it off, but the way the policy is written doesn’t accomplish what they want and it opens the doors to really game the system. As written, if someone gets sick (most common illnesses share covid symptoms) and test negative, it is to their advantage to not report it to the company and just miss one trip rather than report it and be forced to burn your bank to cover any trips in a 10 day window. If the company was serious about reporting symptoms, even with a negative test, they wouldn’t force us to burn so much sick time. For those wanting to game the system, getting a large block of days off including a holiday is easy. Just report covid-like symptoms, notify the company, and then go do what you want to do.

how is that any different than calling in sick during regular times? Get a cold and call out - holidays or not.

He’s pointing out the difference between following the COVID symptoms policy to the letter vs calling in sick.

If you get the flu and don’t report it, you can call in sick for only the time that you are actually sick. If you report the flu symptoms, practically all are shared by covid, you will have to use your sick bank for any trip inside a 10 day quarantine. For those wanting to maximize a fake sick call, the policy works to your advantage. For those who don’t want to use more time than they need, the policy is punitive and encourages people not to report covid symptoms.

Prob not the time to vote for someone running for IAH LEC chair who happens to be part of this lawsuit...

Evidently, the unpaid leave started Friday the 12th. KA-BOOM. Yo-nited ain't messing around. Get the jab, or don't get paid. That's just the way it is. OR....OR, you can apply as a ramper until it's "safe" for you to return to your customer facing job.

https://www.foxbusiness.com/economy/...ate?yptr=yahoo

Sick time and its use is covered by the UPA. Making people use sick time for allergies is a contractual violation and a change to the terms of employment. That is all.

WINNING!!! :cool:

Kirby said about 200 employees did not comply with United's mandate and were fired of its 67,000 employees. He added about 6 pilots were fired and 80 on unpaid leave out of about 13,000.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/uni...ng-2021-12-16/

The 80 pilots on unpaid leave DID get an exemption. Unpaid leave is United's remedy for the exemptions... and that has stood in court.

"Here is your religious exemption, now go home without pay until the pandemic is over"

https://www.shrm.org/resourcesandtoo...cy-upheld.aspx

What is the winning part of this?