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Of course he did the EEOC is iron clad!

good to hear

https://mobile.twitter.com/katherineeeeee2

Twenty bucks says her prime source for that amateur take on journalism is a certain recalled IAH rep. That is not a good source btw.

It expires October 26th. At least that suggests it won't be drawn out and the case will proceed.

https://www.npr.org/2021/10/13/1045536669/united-must-delay-vaccine-mandate-for-workers

The TRO doesn't relate to the legality of an employer requiring vaccination. The headline is #fakenews, hard to believe from such a reputable source. The TRO prevents UAL from putting employees that requested an exemption on unpaid leave.

It's refreshing to see everyone reads and understand the links they post.

No one on here mentioned it has to do with the force vacination. We can read! A gotcha headline what a surprise dude and you cought it congratulations.

There's gonna be pilots sitting at home getting 73 hours of pay until they retire just like I said a month ago. No headline is gonna change that fact! They law is the law.

My bet is united makes accommodations for theys pilots to fly unvaccinated you mark my word. What's it's gonna be IDK. but it's gonna chaff-your-ass. God bless Texas

Well, you did spell “surprise” right.

Did the employees who refused to get vaccinated and refused to get an exemption get fired yet?

I can spell "butt" and use it in a sentence also ...."I'm home sitting on my butt collecting 30k a month for the next 12 years!"

Not to mention damages...thats next!

No, they are part of that TRO group.

Summed it up nicely.

Kirby said this morning that 232 unvaccinated employees are in the process of being terminated.

https://apple.news/A9TC0dySIQK-prooFIpDbHQ

How many of the 232 being fired are pilots?

Take it with a grain of salt as it is grapevine news, but my understanding is that all had requested an accommodation at this point and therefore cannot be fired, approved or not.

I'm thinking Scooter was prejudiced against an employee seeking an exemption...

TEMPORARY RESTRAINING ORDER: The Court thus concludes that Plaintiffs' Motion for Temporary Restraining Order (ECF No. 5 ) is GRANTED in part. It is, therefore, ORDERED that, for the duration of this Temporary Restraining Order, United Airlines, Inc. is TEMPORARILY RESTRAINED and ENJOINED from placing any employee on unpaid leave if that employee was granted either a religious or medical exemption from United Airlines, Inc.'s COVID-19 vaccine mandate. It is further ORDERED that United Airlines, Inc. is TEMPORARILY RESTRAINED and ENJOINED from denying any requests for religious or medical accommodations from United Airlines, Inc.'s COVID-19 vaccine mandate due to timeliness. This Temporary Restraining Order will expire on October 26, 2021. Plaintiffs' bond for this Temporary Restraining Order is fixed at the amount of $5,000.00. The Court will hold an evidentiary hearing on the Motion for Preliminary Injunction on October 13, 2021 at 9:30 a.m. (Ordered by Judge Mark Pittman on 10/12/2021) (pef) (Entered: 10/12/2021)

Really?

This suit brings to question the legality of UALs RAP decision and anyone that didn’t seek reasonable accommodations would not be considered a member of the class. The lawsuit isn’t about the actual mandate.

Wasn't it just ~600 or so a couple of weeks ago?

Yes, if you read my other post, I made it clearer…. it’s my understanding that everyone (at this point) has requested an accommodation that had not been vaccinated, so they fall under the TRO.

Could be fake news though.

That doesn't mean they will be approved.

Is the court hearing happening today?

Any updates on that?

Right, but it the context of the TRO, it doesn’t matter.

riiiiight. Let us know how that works out for ya. Get the shot or move along. That's the choice. Watch and see. :cool:

The fact that you are gleeful about your fellow airman losing their job is really disturbing. Please re-evaluate your life brother

He's simply reacting to taunting from a smug dbag.

Falli n line “Comrad” or be fired. That’s a great “reaction’.

Then I may have misread your post. Apologies. There are a handful of pilots who do fall in the no vax no RAP category. The MEC has filed a grievance regarding that small group. Last I heard single digits. Anyway, my point was only that there is a clear distinction relative to the Sambrano case.

Isnt it likely that the ~250 in the termination process 'slide' under the TRO umbrella since United was enjoined from refusing to accept late medical or religious accomodations? Wouldn't they be foolish to not apply for medical accomodation?

Uh, not how that would play out at all. You’d lose any trip touching a blacklisted destination without pay. If that requires union ratification, it will be overwhelmingly supported. I don’t want you to lose your job, but I think I speak for the majority when I say you’ll work for your pay like the rest of us.

As to the larger issue, this TRO isn’t a win for either side- it’s a delay of proceedings while the court decides on the question of jurisdiction. Can the state of Texas determine legality of an employment policy from an international airline based in Chicago? It has the makings for a prolonged legal fight that works its way to the top. Even if Texas does rule against UAL, it’s more likely to have staying power for employees who work entirely in the state (rampers, ticketing agents, etc.) than interstate employees like pilots & FAs.

The key being they would have to apply. Whether or not they elect to do so? If they don’t, they wouldn’t be considered part of the class IMHO.

Well there you go iahflyr …Somewhere between 0 and single digits of pilots heading into the termination process.

How many across this nation have taken these shots under threat of termination? How many did it violating their own conscience? How many more will continue to do things under threat of termination that violate their conscience? The problem here is that once you knowingly violate your conscience if becomes easier and easier to do so in the future even though you know it is absolutely wrong. EVERYONE should be outraged what is going on here no matter what your stance on the vaccine efficacy is. This is absolutely not about public health anymore (vaccines for children as young as 5). For the people who are "happy" about people getting terminated please stop being so short sighted about this issue. They will come for you or your loved ones eventually. It might be nice to have some help when they do.

Will they be coming in the middle of the night? Need to adjust my sleep pattern just if that is the case.

Are you this passionate about serious racial and gender inequities? "They" have been coming for them for a long time.

Oh yes, I can remember all the times in my life people made sure I was a white male before they let me do things 🙄

We’re not in 1960 anymore, people like you are genuinely making race and gender relations worse

Deleted. Nevermind.

Your math is off. If they can't take you back, that's an unreasonable accommodation and you lose. If they can take you back, they certainly wont pay you to sit on your butt. I think damages are your best bet. Good luck in the pozzed court system.

Virtue is its own reward.

Wait a minute, you mean you have Orwellian government paranoia and a white male victimhood complex?! Never saw that one coming…

I’m not sure which side of the fence you’re trying to joke with, in seriousness.

Someone was comparing the vaccine mandate resistors will soon be victimized, and then someone replied saying that minorities have been being victimized forever and that we should care about them too. I joked to say that no, in 2021, people are mostly a victim of their bad decisions.
My comment was the direct opposite of white male victim hood. So I’m not sure if you didn’t read it correctly and jumped to your own bias, or if you are high-level trolling even over my head

Ok, so just to be clear, United still hasn't terminated a single employee over the vaccine mandate.

After all the corporate posturing, all the news stories, etc.

Maybe the system works after all.