Aviator academy if Colgan never happened.

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02-02-2022, 07:44 PM

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tallpilot

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Originally Posted by prt135

How were they? Any idea how many sims these 250 hour pilots were getting?

A couple were unwilling to learn and hard to deal with. The rest made the mistakes you would expect from someone with minimal experience, quickly learned from them, accepted my mentorship and at least one I can think of is at FedEx now in the left seat.

All in all it was a good experience. I appreciate now that I spend most of my time with pilots who are ready to upgrade and mentorship revolves around command decision making instead of basic flying skills. I'm getting lazier in my middle age.

02-03-2022, 11:54 AM

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MOGuy

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Originally Posted by JohnnyBekkestad

People still needed time, the thought that you could go to a regional right at 250 is a fantasy.

I went to CommutAir in 2010 flying the dash 8 right at 256 hrs. We recieved 3 or 4 sims and a check ride for an SIC type. It was intense the least to say and a high learning curve. Lot of washouts. I remember getting out of class grabbing dinner then studying until 2am every night.

02-03-2022, 03:48 PM

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symbian simian

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Flew in the EU. Had a few years where most FOs joined with 180hours TT. ALL were trained from the start to become FOs in an airline. Failure rate in training less than 5%, getting on the line lower than that. Obviously they weren't ready to upgrade yet. Like the military, lots of grading/testing done to weed out the weak before training started. Not guaranteed 100.0000%, see AF447, but also AA587.

02-03-2022, 04:24 PM

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AllYourBaseAreB

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With a structured, airline focused training regime, there is no need for 1500TT, for them at least. Anyone can go fly pipeline patrol or rent a 152. I flew with plenty of low time guys in 2011/2012, up to the cutoff date for the new rule. Most were fine. Most came from Purdue and other college aviation programs. On the other hand. Most that had issues were primarily attitude problems, not background. I personally think everyone should be forced to get a CFI rating. A pain in the ass and a semi-decent weed out or humbling experience.