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Originally Posted by scooter trash
(Post 3395863)
Hi. 25 year UA guy, preceded by 2 years at DHL. Either way, finish 20 in the mil. As I'm crunching the retirement numbers, healthcare costs are a significant hurdle, and I'm envious of the guys with the tricare deal. That said, I do maybe 3-4 redeyes a month. Night hub turns at a cargo carrier ain't that. Two years of the nightly freight thing made me at least 10 years older. Our big changeover at DHL was Monday night/Tuesday morning, and when you walked into the ready room you could tell by looking at them who was on day one and who was on day seven. If you're not at an airline now you probably can't jumpseat, but if you can I HIGHLY encourage you to jumpseat into SDF, sit through the sort, and jumpseat out. If you really want to taste the sweet nectar of night freight, do it for a week. Those guys aren't making bank because Mama Brown loves them (she doesn't, but that's beyond the scope here.)
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Total newbie on cargo QOL and pay conversations so please excuse the question, but I see references to higher pay for UPS and opportunity to make much more, but the published pay scale seems to be as good or better for UAL (esp WB of course).. what am I missing? Just the fact that UPS pays everyone on a ~WB scale?
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Originally Posted by F15andMD11
(Post 3395744)
That was helpful,…🙄 but why? Add a FedEx thought to your reply too plz, for my UA buddy that may leave for purple soon.
know guys that have left purple/brown for UA, and vice versa. To each their own. |
Originally Posted by hifiaudio177
(Post 3395902)
Total newbie on cargo QOL and pay conversations so please excuse the question, but I see references to higher pay for UPS and opportunity to make much more, but the published pay scale seems to be as good or better for UAL (esp WB of course).. what am I missing? Just the fact that UPS pays everyone on a ~WB scale?
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Originally Posted by scooter trash
(Post 3395863)
Hi. 25 year UA guy, preceded by 2 years at DHL. Either way, finish 20 in the mil. As I'm crunching the retirement numbers, healthcare costs are a significant hurdle, and I'm envious of the guys with the tricare deal. That said, I do maybe 3-4 redeyes a month. Night hub turns at a cargo carrier ain't that. Two years of the nightly freight thing made me at least 10 years older. Our big changeover at DHL was Monday night/Tuesday morning, and when you walked into the ready room you could tell by looking at them who was on day one and who was on day seven. If you're not at an airline now you probably can't jumpseat, but if you can I HIGHLY encourage you to jumpseat into SDF, sit through the sort, and jumpseat out. If you really want to taste the sweet nectar of night freight, do it for a week. Those guys aren't making bank because Mama Brown loves them (she doesn't, but that's beyond the scope here.)
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Originally Posted by BoilerUP
(Post 3395854)
Good thing all that widebody international flying United does never happens in the middle of the night....
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Originally Posted by scooter trash
(Post 3395863)
Hi. 25 year UA guy, preceded by 2 years at DHL. Either way, finish 20 in the mil. As I'm crunching the retirement numbers, healthcare costs are a significant hurdle, and I'm envious of the guys with the tricare deal. That said, I do maybe 3-4 redeyes a month. Night hub turns at a cargo carrier ain't that. Two years of the nightly freight thing made me at least 10 years older. Our big changeover at DHL was Monday night/Tuesday morning, and when you walked into the ready room you could tell by looking at them who was on day one and who was on day seven. If you're not at an airline now you probably can't jumpseat, but if you can I HIGHLY encourage you to jumpseat into SDF, sit through the sort, and jumpseat out. If you really want to taste the sweet nectar of night freight, do it for a week. Those guys aren't making bank because Mama Brown loves them (she doesn't, but that's beyond the scope here.)
Having said that, that's only part of the flying at both carriers. There's so much more to it! |
I have no skin in this game but if I had your background it would be UPS/FedEx.
The spousal unit has friends at United and even after 8-10 years on station they were on the chopping block in ‘20 when COVID hit. You’ll be at the bottom of a 13,000 pilot seniority list. UPS is currently at 3000. After the same amount of time your relative seniority will be significantly higher. COVID 2.0 / MERS 2.0/ SARS 2.0 / Cold War 2.0 are all right around the corner. Go get your pension too. Almost everyone I meet with a Mil pension is enjoying life and pretty much treating flying as a side hussle to get out of the house. |
Originally Posted by hifiaudio177
(Post 3395902)
Total newbie on cargo QOL and pay conversations so please excuse the question, but I see references to higher pay for UPS and opportunity to make much more, but the published pay scale seems to be as good or better for UAL (esp WB of course).. what am I missing? Just the fact that UPS pays everyone on a ~WB scale?
Another common misunderstanding is about night flying and hub turns. It’s just not a thing for everyone. But what is a thing at United is you will not be making anything close to UPS unless you pick certain jets… so keep it in mind. |
Originally Posted by AirborneUPSMovr
(Post 3397416)
Check the yearly W-2 thread, but the basics involve the fact that ups dudes on the international side make 50-100-150k more than ‘guarantee’. Most whale FO are seeing 275-325 easy.
Another common misunderstanding is about night flying and hub turns. It’s just not a thing for everyone. But what is a thing at United is you will not be making anything close to UPS unless you pick certain jets… so keep it in mind. |
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