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Originally Posted by BAe3100FO (Post 3440997)

What most people fail to look at is the toll flying night hub turns takes on a body. Sure, your “buddy” made more last year, but did the actual fatigue and wear and tear in the body…..

You always spew misinformation regarding this subject. Frankly it makes you look foolish.

I haven’t flown night hub turns in over 8 months, and even before then I only do it when necessary for days off and always get a comercial on both sides, so in a month end up doing only 8 nights, 4 each week (week on/week off). Yeah, I’m sure that’s gonna kill me 🙄. That statement is simply ignorant and clearly makes you look like you want to burn down your old house and chest pump your new one.

Any UPS want to touch on how much flying is daytime? International is going to be similar but I’ve heard the 767 is all backside of the clock once they hit Europe.

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Originally Posted by Gilligan13 (Post 3443781)

Any UPS want to touch on how much flying is daytime? International is going to be similar but I’ve heard the 767 is all backside of the clock once they hit Europe.

Ive never calculated how much is daylight vs night. The 76 flying in Europe is at night, which translates to daylight hours for those who live on the East Coast. In other words, you never have to shift your schedule unless you are living in Europe.

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Originally Posted by Gilligan13 (Post 3443781)

Any UPS want to touch on how much flying is daytime? International is going to be similar but I’ve heard the 767 is all backside of the clock once they hit Europe.

I would say around 40%. Living in domicile we have PM turns (out and backs). Depart SDF between 2-5 and return later that night between 11-2. Also some daytime flights to a hotel and back through the base in the morning and to another outstation in the afternoon.

And if you want to live the WB lifestyle at UA, guess what time you fly when you go to Europe? Or come back from Asia.

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Originally Posted by dera (Post 3444710)

And if you want to live the WB lifestyle at UA, guess what time you fly when you go to Europe? Or come back from Asia.

But going to Europe isn’t always so bad. Lots of flights takeoff around 2000 and land at 0230 (nyc time) out of Newark. Of course there is the 2300 London which puts you on the ground at 0530 nyc time.

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Originally Posted by scooter trash (Post 3395863)

Hi. 25 year UA guy, preceded by 2 years at DHL. Either way, finish 20 in the mil. As I'm crunching the retirement numbers, healthcare costs are a significant hurdle, and I'm envious of the guys with the tricare deal. That said, I do maybe 3-4 redeyes a month. Night hub turns at a cargo carrier ain't that. Two years of the nightly freight thing made me at least 10 years older. Our big changeover at DHL was Monday night/Tuesday morning, and when you walked into the ready room you could tell by looking at them who was on day one and who was on day seven. If you're not at an airline now you probably can't jumpseat, but if you can I HIGHLY encourage you to jumpseat into SDF, sit through the sort, and jumpseat out. If you really want to taste the sweet nectar of night freight, do it for a week. Those guys aren't making bank because Mama Brown loves them (she doesn't, but that's beyond the scope here.)

I do the Europe flying at UPS and generally fly one red eye per month. All of our intra-Europe flying equates to late afternoon and evening flying on your body clock (Eastern and central time zones back home), so you’re not disrupting your circadian rhythm. I’ll fly one 12-13 day trip a month and fly the red-eye back home (once a month), and then enjoy the rest of the month off.

For reference, I worked 127 days in 2021 (including the days of commuting in an evening early) and my W-2 was comparable to that of a Delta narrow body captain, I’m a 6-7 year FO. So we don’t REALLY have to be flying red-eyes all the time like the pax guys assume. Just wanted to post for a comparison.

That’s a weird set of logic. Your body adjusts to Europe sunrise/sunset circadian rhythms after 3-4 days.

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Originally Posted by Tini (Post 3445103)

That’s a weird set of logic. Your body adjusts to Europe sunrise/sunset circadian rhythms after 3-4 days.

Not true. My body stays on east coast time like clockwork. Maybe if you are actually attempting to switch zones then 3-4 days would be accurate.

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Originally Posted by Tini (Post 3445103)

That’s a weird set of logic. Your body adjusts to Europe sunrise/sunset circadian rhythms after 3-4 days.

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Originally Posted by jetlaggy (Post 3445107)

Not true. My body stays on east coast time like clockwork. Maybe if you are actually attempting to switch zones then 3-4 days would be accurate.

Like Jetlaggy, mine doesn’t either. I’m not trying to acclimate to local time zone so I can easily stay on US-home time zone in Europe as well. Suffer one red eye home and get back to normal home life once the trip is over.