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Tini 06-22-2022 06:08 AM

That’s awesome. Good for you guys. Certainly doesn’t work that way for me.

Naven 06-22-2022 06:25 AM

The pros and cons of both places have been discussed pretty extensively. While the pay and retirement is probably better at UPS one of the random drawbacks at UPS is you have less options. At United you can choose to bid larger equipment for pay or you can choose to stay and get senior pretty quickly on a narrow body. There are also way more bases and equipment types at United. At UPS since it is pay to seniority there is a lot less movement, mostly just do to retirements and expansion. Basically at United you can choose to bid for pay or you can choose to bid for seniority. At UPS your seniority progression will just naturally happen but your pay will be good while you wait.

jetlaggy 06-22-2022 06:49 AM


Originally Posted by Naven (Post 3445504)
The pros and cons of both places have been discussed pretty extensively. While the pay and retirement is probably better at UPS one of the random drawbacks at UPS is you have less options. At United you can choose to bid larger equipment for pay or you can choose to stay and get senior pretty quickly on a narrow body. There are also way more bases and equipment types at United. At UPS since it is pay to seniority there is a lot less movement, mostly just do to retirements and expansion. Basically at United you can choose to bid for pay or you can choose to bid for seniority. At UPS your seniority progression will just naturally happen but your pay will be good while you wait.

The seniority progression at UPS usually comes from the many early retirees. Some folks also decide our FO rates are good enough for their lifestyle and enjoy the senior schedules. One of the best options is Z flying. U can choose to fly round the world trips or strictly Hawaii or week on/week off domestic flying all without changing aircraft or domiciles. Lots of variety, altho many find their niche early on and stick with it.

Gilligan13 06-24-2022 01:02 PM


Originally Posted by tnkrdrvr (Post 3443855)
Ive never calculated how much is daylight vs night. The 76 flying in Europe is at night, which translates to daylight hours for those who live on the East Coast. In other words, you never have to shift your schedule unless you are living in Europe.

Do you not have days off in country?

Gilligan13 06-24-2022 01:05 PM


Originally Posted by jetlaggy (Post 3445531)
The seniority progression at UPS usually comes from the many early retirees. Some folks also decide our FO rates are good enough for their lifestyle and enjoy the senior schedules. One of the best options is Z flying. U can choose to fly round the world trips or strictly Hawaii or week on/week off domestic flying all without changing aircraft or domiciles. Lots of variety, altho many find their niche early on and stick with it.

Is the week on week off dayish flying or all nighters?

jetlaggy 06-24-2022 01:05 PM


Originally Posted by Gilligan13 (Post 3447282)
Do you not have days off in country?

yes but doesnt matter...get up and go to sleep on edt

jetlaggy 06-24-2022 01:08 PM


Originally Posted by Gilligan13 (Post 3447285)
Is the week on week off dayish flying or all nighters?

Both. Pick what you like and your seniority can hold

tnkrdrvr 06-24-2022 03:09 PM


Originally Posted by Gilligan13 (Post 3447282)
Do you not have days off in country?

Z guys tend to have long weekends in Cologne. I’m guessing somewhere in the range of 36-48 hours. Probably varies depending on length of trip you bid. Like everywhere, the optimizer is sucking the magic out of Europe.

Hellafo 06-24-2022 03:47 PM


Originally Posted by Swedish Blender (Post 3443170)
What others fail to realize is the diversity of flying. I spent 10 years flying two weeks on/off. Those 2 weeks on would consist of 5 legs @10-12 hours with multiple days in HNL, SYD and somewhere in Asia. Mix of day and night outside the window.

And I can compare. Family member is a UA captain.

Exactly, I've been here 3 years and even though I have had some grueling week long night trips. I have flown a day time since year one, now I fly almost exclusively day time trips and I get miles on my preferred airline. Looking forward to more improvement in scheduling, no where is perfect.
hella.

Riverside 06-24-2022 04:08 PM


Originally Posted by Hellafo (Post 3447456)
Exactly, I've been here 3 years and even though I have had some grueling week long night trips. I have flown a day time since year one, now I fly almost exclusively day time trips and I get miles on my preferred airline. Looking forward to more improvement in scheduling, no where is perfect.
hella.

I take it you're on the 76 then.


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