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massgflight 05-21-2022 07:38 PM


Originally Posted by Aldo Raine (Post 3425802)
Absolutely agree. FSB is not necessary. I would rather get reassigned to cover something mid-pairing when I am ALREADY at work, getting paid, than to commute or drive in for FSB and wasting several hours of my day to not only NOT get paid, but it actually COST ME MONEY to go to work. Absurd.


[emoji1312]Solid point


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iahflyr 05-22-2022 05:25 AM


Originally Posted by TFAYD (Post 3427518)
then make it that FSB can only be used for global trips

Usually someone on FSB actually wants to fly. It seems odd to have a perfectly good FSB sitting there while a non-global flight is delayed 2+ hours waiting for another reserve to show up.

Since an FSB is not replaced once one is used, it’s not like using an FSB on a non-global trip would cause more FSB’s that day. If scheduling wants to use an available FSB on a non-global trip, go ahead and use them. I think most people would rather fly once on FSB rather than just sit there.

ReadOnly7 05-22-2022 06:07 AM


Originally Posted by iahflyr (Post 3427594)
Usually someone on FSB actually wants to fly. It seems odd to have a perfectly good FSB sitting there while a non-global flight is delayed 2+ hours waiting for another reserve to show up.

Since an FSB is not replaced once one is used, it’s not like using an FSB on a non-global trip would cause more FSB’s that day. If scheduling wants to use an available FSB on a non-global trip, go ahead and use them. I think most people would rather fly once on FSB rather than just sit there.

most would rather not be on FSB to begin with. I can also say with absolute certainty that not one single time I’ve been on FSB….did I want to fly. Invariably, you are inheriting a complete goat-rope, to some min-rest layover.

Your posts certainly have a theme. You’re a real (management) pilots’ pilot, aren’t you?

Aldo Raine 05-22-2022 07:36 AM


Originally Posted by iahflyr (Post 3427594)
Since an FSB is not replaced once one is used,...

Uh, no. Short-calls get converted to FSB quite regularly. Then, guess what? Now your SC becomes an “assignment”, and you don’t even get credit for an unused SC. Double bonus!

TFAYD 05-22-2022 09:38 AM


Originally Posted by iahflyr (Post 3427594)
Usually someone on FSB actually wants to fly. It seems odd to have a perfectly good FSB sitting there while a non-global flight is delayed 2+ hours waiting for another reserve to show up.

Since an FSB is not replaced once one is used, it’s not like using an FSB on a non-global trip would cause more FSB’s that day. If scheduling wants to use an available FSB on a non-global trip, go ahead and use them. I think most people would rather fly once on FSB rather than just sit there.


FSB needs to go.

I can see the argument that it is necessary for some select few global flights that push duty limits. Maybe there could be an exception for a clearly defined number of FSB for precisely those select global flights. Same number - same time - every day. So it is predictable. But none should be required for any NB global flights.

ReadOnly7 05-22-2022 09:41 AM


Originally Posted by TFAYD (Post 3427742)
FSB needs to go.

I can see the argument that it is necessary for some select few global flights that push duty limits. Maybe there could be an exception for a clearly defined number of FSB for precisely those select global flights. Same number - same time - every day. So it is predictable. But none should be required for any NB global flights.

THIS is a great idea. Specific flights get their own FSB guy. Shows up for the flight, hangs out, doesn’t get used, goes back home or to the crash pad. Gets 2 hours of ADD pay for his trouble.

DashTrash 05-22-2022 09:47 AM


Originally Posted by ReadOnly7 (Post 3427746)
THIS is a great idea. Specific flights get their own FSB guy. Shows up for the flight, hangs out, doesn’t get used, goes back home or to the crash pad. Gets 2 hours of ADD pay for his trouble.

I think that’s a good idea!!! There needs to be something punitive for the Company to assign FSBs or SCs.

ReadOnly7 05-22-2022 10:00 AM


Originally Posted by DashTrash (Post 3427748)
I think that’s a good idea!!! There needs to be something punitive for the Company to assign FSBs or SCs.

SC is kinda just part of the deal….but there needs to be a limit. For example, only one SC per work block. If you get another, 2 hours of ADD PAY. If you get USED on that SC, the ADD pay still stands.

JetDoc 05-22-2022 10:07 AM


Originally Posted by ReadOnly7 (Post 3427746)
THIS is a great idea. Specific flights get their own FSB guy. Shows up for the flight, hangs out, doesn’t get used, goes back home or to the crash pad. Gets 2 hours of ADD pay for his trouble.

That would take a bit of the sting out of being in traffic for 6 hours.

JetDoc 05-22-2022 10:11 AM


Originally Posted by ReadOnly7 (Post 3427760)
SC is kinda just part of the deal….but there needs to be a limit. For example, only one SC per work block. If you get another, 2 hours of ADD PAY. If you get USED on that SC, the ADD pay still stands.

This^^^^^^^^^^
Just in the past month I have twice been assigned a SC and 5 hours into it a call from CS releasing me and assigning me another SC for the same time, the very next day.


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