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Old 05-27-2022 | 08:08 AM
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Originally Posted by A320fumes
I’m not that humble. And certainly disagree with you simplistic conclusion . Police bias is an American problem, not a racial problem. You should chew on that a minute.
Its obvious you’re not humble, but luckily you save the rest of us some assumptions by wearing your biases in the Red Tail on your avatar.

I am glad to hear you say police bias is not a race problem, though. I would disagree with that, but that’s the great thing, we all are allowed to have our own opinions.
Old 05-27-2022 | 08:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Chowdah
Fumes,

Your argument applies to lots of cases…..but it kinda falters when you acknowledge that the employee isn’t white.

Is a black dude a “Karen” if he picks on another black dude? I don’t think the employee is of African descent, but then you need a hierarchy for police preference for different races. Also, given that police in the greater NYC area probably represent racial diversity better than most places in our country, you’d need to know the exact race of the arresting officer.

Basically, you’ve got a lot of assumptions in place for this to be racist. The far easier explanation is that a bullied kid now has an ounce of authority and didn’t know how to back down when someone didn’t like his request. Sounds like an average day in NJ.
Chowda:

It never even occurred to me to research whether the UGE guy was White or not. To be honest, I don’t even see the relevancy. If I see anyone struggling with their bags, my first inclination is to help, if I have time. As far as the Karen’s are concerned, their first inclination is to belittle and insult. karen’s and dirty cops hate iPhones, because guess who the iPhones used to be? The karen. But iPhones are much more noble and honest,,,,far less self-serving
Old 05-27-2022 | 08:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Galaxy5
Its obvious you’re not humble, but luckily you save the rest of us some assumptions by wearing your biases in the Red Tail on your avatar.

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The Redtails were great Americans from the greatest generation. I’m very fortunate to have heard some of their stories in person while serving as an Air Force Aviator myself. Again, and American issue, not a racial one

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Old 05-27-2022 | 09:36 AM
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Originally Posted by A320fumes
The Redtails were great Americans from the greatest generation. I’m very fortunate to have heard some of their stories in person while serving as an Air Force Aviator myself. Again, and American issue, not a racial one
What is exactly the American issue here? Langley throws the first hit (allegedly, by all sorts of media outlets) which no one can offer a video showing. If that is indeed the case, should he not be charged with battery?
Old 05-27-2022 | 09:44 AM
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Originally Posted by A320fumes
Chowda:

It never even occurred to me to research whether the UGE guy was White or not. To be honest, I don’t even see the relevancy. If I see anyone struggling with their bags, my first inclination is to help, if I have time. As far as the Karen’s are concerned, their first inclination is to belittle and insult. karen’s and dirty cops hate iPhones, because guess who the iPhones used to be? The karen. But iPhones are much more noble and honest,,,,far less self-serving
I think a lot of people would agree with the struggles our country is facing ensuring fair treatment for all. But I don’t think trying to fit this incident inside that box is helping the cause. It kind of alienates people when racism is attributed to things that are either probably not race motivated, or could be, but the the person accused of racism is guilty til proven innocent, rather than waiting for all the facts to come in.

And I think the employee and officer’s race would be pretty important to know when making claims with the certainty you’re displaying.
Old 05-27-2022 | 11:07 AM
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What is exactly the American issue here? Langley throws the first hit (allegedly, by all sorts of media outlets) which no one can offer a video showing. If that is indeed the case, should he not be charged with battery?
The UGE employee is definitely guilty of battery, as he made the first touch. Battery requires physical contact. Assault on the other hand, only requires “reasonable apprehension “.

It’s interesting case-law. Based on a situation where White NASA engineers deemed to it funny to slap the lunch trays out of Black engineers hands without touching them; ergo circumventing the battery statutes.

That depends on your definition of “American “ is. To me, an American would have politely asked the guy if he needed some help or informed him that commandeering a wheelchair to carry his bags would raise some eyebrows. An “American “ company would have no use for an outsourced UGE. You get what you pay for…most times. This situation was totally avoidable, if mr UGE was acting like an American. What he got instead was justice and I hope a lesson. If you can’t help, call the police, or mind your fking business. The police did what they usually do; arrest the Black guy. That should be considered an American problem by all.
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Originally Posted by Chowdah

And I think the employee and officer’s race would be pretty important to know when making claims with the certainty you’re displaying.

That’s a logical, but flawed conclusion. Most Americans are great irrespective of their color. But police bias is no different whether it come from a Black or White cop. We need good police officers and we need to train and compensate them; teachers as well. This situation was awful. Race only exacerbates the situation and forces some to take sides. Police bias and lying karens are ALL of our problem. Maybe if we saw it that way, sans race, we could actually make some headway on the issue.
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Originally Posted by A320fumes
The UGE employee is definitely guilty of battery, as he made the first touch. Battery requires physical contact. Assault on the other hand, only requires “reasonable apprehension “.

It’s interesting case-law. Based on a situation where White NASA engineers deemed to it funny to slap the lunch trays out of Black engineers hands without touching them; ergo circumventing the battery statutes.

That depends on your definition of “American “ is. To me, an American would have politely asked the guy if he needed some help or informed him that commandeering a wheelchair to carry his bags would raise some eyebrows. An “American “ company would have no use for an outsourced UGE. You get what you pay for…most times. This situation was totally avoidable, if mr UGE was acting like an American. What he got instead was justice and I hope a lesson. If you can’t help, call the police, or mind your fking business. The police did what they usually do; arrest the Black guy. That should be considered an American problem by all.
I think you’re missing what I’m saying. The police/media/eyewitness reports all say that Langley threw the first “touch” before what we’ve seen on videos, but that a longer non-released video confirms this. Unless there is some mass conspiracy against Langley, sure sounds as if he got off pretty easy with assault.
Old 05-27-2022 | 12:17 PM
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Originally Posted by ThumbsUp
I think you’re missing what I’m saying. The police/media/eyewitness reports all say that Langley threw the first “touch” before what we’ve seen on videos, but that a longer non-released video confirms this. Unless there is some mass conspiracy against Langley, sure sounds as if he got off pretty easy with assault.
will never see the inside of a courtroom if Langley takes the money. I hope he doesn’t. We’ll see
Old 05-27-2022 | 12:47 PM
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It just seems like you want to have a conversation about something that doesn’t fit what happened here. If you have some evidence that Langley didn’t escalate this to a physical altercation, please help the reader understand. Otherwise, I’m left with the impression that you’re using this incident as a pretext to discuss other injustices in society, not what actually happened here.
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