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Old 06-07-2022, 12:43 PM
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Even if you replaced 300 RJs with 737s or FiFi aircraft, there’s no space in the hubs to park them. And then another 200 on top of that? The math doesn’t work for parking space unless they’re going to open up hubs in CLE, MIA, and SEA again (good luck finding space in the latter two tho) or maybe they’re going to use them for point to point flying?
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Old 06-07-2022, 01:28 PM
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Even if you replaced 300 RJs with 737s or FiFi aircraft, there’s no space in the hubs to park them. And then another 200 on top of that? The math doesn’t work for parking space unless they’re going to open up hubs in CLE, MIA, and SEA again (good luck finding space in the latter two tho) or maybe they’re going to use them for point to point flying?
Well hubs are expanding. Denver did, chicago has plans to add new terminals. Lax is adding a new terminal that will create gate space. EWR is getting a new terminal, I’m sure IAH has plans. Think SFO probably only one that doesn’t have space. I could see a MCO base, they added a international terminal which will open gate space
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Old 06-07-2022, 01:32 PM
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From my public math wide body FO reserve pay is about same as 90 hour NB pay in the early years

play the game right - and a 4th year NB CA made 40k last month….


albeit, a bottom reserve who got lucky and ended up with a line and milked it for all they could…,
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Old 06-07-2022, 01:36 PM
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Originally Posted by KnightNight View Post
Well hubs are expanding. Denver did, chicago has plans to add new terminals. Lax is adding a new terminal that will create gate space. EWR is getting a new terminal, I’m sure IAH has plans. Think SFO probably only one that doesn’t have space. I could see a MCO base, they added a international terminal which will open gate space
You missed IAD - which has the most room to grow. I hear that more banks are coming eventually.
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Old 06-07-2022, 01:58 PM
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Originally Posted by TransWorld View Post
300 RJs being replaced. Hmmmm…

Background Per Planespotters —-

180 CRJ-200 + 75 ERJ-145 = 255 of the 50 seaters

77 CRJ-700 + 38 ERJ-170 + 198 ERJ-175 = 313 of the 70/76 seaters (including the reconfigured GoJets metal)

If plans are to park 300 RJs, must be planning on parking some of the 70/76 seaters.
They want to park 70 seaters and fly more 76 seaters (need a new contract for that). But who really cares if they can’t get enough pilots? And who cares when they are adding 500 more planes over 5 years? That’s almost the same as JB, Spirit and Frontier combined.
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Originally Posted by threeighteen View Post
Even if you replaced 300 RJs with 737s or FiFi aircraft, there’s no space in the hubs to park them. And then another 200 on top of that? The math doesn’t work for parking space unless they’re going to open up hubs in CLE, MIA, and SEA again (good luck finding space in the latter two tho) or maybe they’re going to use them for point to point flying?
They talked about this on a call. They are going to cities we currently don’t fly mainline to. So they will go in and out of hubs during the day, but at night will be where the RJs are currently parked in out stations.
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Old 06-07-2022, 02:04 PM
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Keep in mind, it'll take many years for United to take delivery of all those shiny new narrowbodies. In the meantime, there are a lot of RJs, 737s, and Airbuses that will be retired due to age.

Believe the oldest NG is a 1997 model, and the oldest Airbus is even older than that.
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Originally Posted by fasteddie800 View Post
Keep in mind, it'll take many years for United to take delivery of all those shiny new narrowbodies. In the meantime, there are a lot of RJs, 737s, and Airbuses that will be retired due to age.

Believe the oldest NG is a 1997 model, and the oldest Airbus is even older than that.

400 NB aircraft to be delivered the next 8 years in case you have not notice that
200 to replace older planes and 200 for growth

1050 mainline frames by 2026 is the plan ( 852 currently on the property)
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Originally Posted by threeighteen View Post
Even if you replaced 300 RJs with 737s or FiFi aircraft, there’s no space in the hubs to park them. And then another 200 on top of that? The math doesn’t work for parking space unless they’re going to open up hubs in CLE, MIA, and SEA again (good luck finding space in the latter two tho) or maybe they’re going to use them for point to point flying?
CLE had a lot of RJ flying, which is being replaced by mainline (that jives with the approx 20% base growth in a single VB last winter). Meanwhile, SFO has added a couple of mainline gates in Terminal 2 and is replacing some of the RJ gates with a WB capable gate in F. Besides adding lots more gates overall in DEN, I've observed a lot of E-175s parked at mainline capable gates. Think we'll soon be bringing back some renovated C gates plus some D gates in IAH. Not saying gate space at our hubs isn't tight... but they are definitely adding more gate capacity.
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Old 06-07-2022, 04:08 PM
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A bigger airplane is not necessarily a better customer product than one that's smaller. My favorite deadhead is on an E175 or a CRJ900. Fast boarding and deplaning, no middle seat, good leg room. Among my least favorite, several large narrow bodies - seats crammed together, long wait to board and deplane, middle seat, hideously small bathroom.
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