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Originally Posted by 89Pistons (Post 3445175)

Thousands of pilots said that over two decades ago. And damn near all of them learned the hard way. Who sent you?

It was just two short years ago that we saw 76 seaters parked at mainline gates while mainline was sending out WARN letters. You forgot about that already?

Dude is either a management troll or clueless nube. Either way, this line of thinking is a cancer to our profession. Hope the wiser pilots among us see the bigger picture.

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Originally Posted by Bluewaffle (Post 3446118)

We're not losing routes to the 175. Exactly the opposite is happening. 175s are getting parked (Mesa) because there aren't enough pilots to fly them. The reason you see a 175 on a DEN-RIC turn is not because the 175 is so much cheaper to operate, its because mainline doesn't have a spare A/C. 175s will take over 50 seat routes and mainline will take over 76 seat routes. This has already been happening.

for now - can easily change in the next down turn

I look at the index first to see which page section 3 starts on…

SHOW ME THE MONNNEEYYYYYYYYYYYY.

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Originally Posted by Tesla S (Post 3446160)

I look at the index first to see which page section 3 start

SHOW ME THE MONNNEEYYYYYYYYYYY

so short sighted. I don’t give an eff if they set pay scales at 1000$ per hour. If there’s no job because boneheads like this vote to relax scope, then it doesn’t matter what the job pays.

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Originally Posted by Guppydriver95 (Post 3446169)

so short sighted. I don’t give an eff if they set pay scales at 1000$ per hour. If there’s no job because boneheads like this vote to relax scope, then it doesn’t matter what the job pays.

Right!! I’m with you. Just give me minimum wage, as long as work rules and scope are rock solid!! Sarcasm. I think the last guys post was a bit sarcastic too.

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Originally Posted by Lakeaffect (Post 3446182)

Right!! I’m with you. Just give me minimum wage, as long as work rules and scope are rock solid!! Sarcasm. I think the last guys post was a bit sarcastic too.

if that’s the case, my apologies.

I truly wonder what some of these guys backgrounds are who even have the faintest receptivity to relaxing scope in any way shape or form. Can someone possibly slug it out through the regionals for any amount of time and still hold this view? Are they prior military? Corporate? On another note, turboprops aren’t coming back. Pax hate em. I hope the regional model crumbles and dies a quick death.

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Originally Posted by Guppydriver95 (Post 3446169)

so short sighted. I don’t give an eff if they set pay scales at 1000$ per hour. If there’s no job because boneheads like this vote to relax scope, then it doesn’t matter what the job pays.

That is exactly what most pilots will do. Just look at Section 3. if you doubt this, look at the outrage on this forum over the rumored pay increase. And now I get to read on here how much other sections are more important than Section 3. BS. The same guys talking about all of the other sections will go to Section 3 and place the greatest weight on Section 3.

Let's go with a hypothetical: the other sections in the contract meet all requirements but Section 3 has a less than 10% immediate pay raise. I can guarantee that there will be huge uproar on these forums. But anyone who's read these forums for any length of time should realize that the posts on this forum do not represent the rank and file. If the inevitable forum poll on this TA comes in at or above 20%, the TA will likely pass.

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Originally Posted by Lakeaffect (Post 3446182)

Right!! I’m with you. Just give me minimum wage, as long as work rules and scope are rock solid!! Sarcasm. I think the last guys post was a bit sarcastic too.

NO TO ANY SCOPE RELAXATION-PERIOD !!
No matter how sweet it may seem . It will always come back to bite you in the A$$$ sooner or later.

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Originally Posted by threeighteen (Post 3446132)

Amazing how quickly people forget how fast things can go south. It's like they were asleep for all of 2020.

Because how many were sitting around getting paid to not fly? 2020 was a blessing for thousands of pilots, so to them no harm no foul I suppose…