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Originally Posted by Grumble
(Post 3447479)
Tell him thanks for nothing. Send it back with a 90% no vote and see how fast mgmt comes back with a whole lot more.
DAL went through this same BS circa 2014. Shot down their first contract after “you’ll never get more” doom and gloom. Guess what happened 3 months later? |
Originally Posted by FriendlyPilot;[url=tel:3447518
3447518]We were not at the precipice of a massive recession in 2014 and Delta wanted to outsource 50% of their international flying for some pay raises and profit sharing for the pilots, so yes they came back to get their JV deal passed.
Insler? Is that you? By the MEC’s own words this TA was 90% done PRE COVID, aka the most profitable period in the history of the industry, and THIS WAS THE BEST THEY COULD DO?!??? Not only should we send this thing down in flames, we should recall the entire group. This ain’t a 2 year deal… it’s 10+. This entire contract is a laundry list of managements wet dreams, and we get crap, nadda, nothing. Why in the HELL would management come back to the table in 2 years?! For what?!? We’re giving them everything they’ve ever wanted right now. No line pilots in TK (their end goal, this lets the camels nose under the tent), 0600 reserve day 1, scope concessions… for a 9% raise that’s a pay cut as of 24 months after the amenable date. When short calls were introduced in 2012 it was only supposed to be for irregular ops, a tool that would never get used. Now look at it. We’re the only airline with FSB. There isnt a single win in this thing for any part of this line flying pilot group. Spare me your recession fear mongering. If it’s going to be so bad why is the company hiring nonstop at break neck pace?!? Why do they need to staff TK and the LCA ranks so bad? Why are we breaking ground on ANOTHER new sim building for 12 more FFS and 12 FTDs? Why are we taking delivery of a new narrow body every three days? Get bent! |
Originally Posted by grumble
(Post 3447634)
insler? Is that you?
By the mec’s own words this ta was 90% done pre covid, aka the most profitable period in the history of the industry, and this was the best they could do?!??? Not only should we send this thing down in flames, we should recall the entire group. This ain’t a 2 year deal… it’s 10+. This entire contract is a laundry list of managements wet dreams, and we get crap, nadda, nothing. Why in the hell would management come back to the table in 2 years?! For what?!? We’re giving them everything they’ve ever wanted right now. No line pilots in tk, 0600 reserve day 1, scope concessions… for a 9% raise that’s a pay cut as of 24 months after the amenable date. There isnt a single win in this thing for any part of this line flying pilot group. Spare me your recession fear mongering. If it’s going to be so bad why is the company hiring nonstop at break neck pace?!? Why do they need to staff tk and the lca ranks so bad? Why are we breaking ground on another new sim building for 12 more ffs and 12 ftds? Why are we taking delivery of a new narrow body every three days? Get bent! |
Originally Posted by FriendlyPilot
(Post 3447518)
We were not at the precipice of a massive recession in 2014 and Delta wanted to outsource 50% of their international flying for some pay raises and profit sharing for the pilots, so yes they came back to get their JV deal passed.
Supply chain constraints ease up, Ukraine war ends, we begin to grow again as a nation—no recession. At the current pace the fed is inducing this “looming recession.” At any rate, I would be a hard pass on this if I was voting. A stronger message is sent with a 90% NO than a 51% yes. You deserve more, you’ll get more. Best of luck guys. |
Originally Posted by Grumble
(Post 3447634)
Insler? Is that you?
By the MEC’s own words this TA was 90% done PRE COVID, aka the most profitable period in the history of the industry, and THIS WAS THE BEST THEY COULD DO?!??? Not only should we send this thing down in flames, we should recall the entire group. This ain’t a 2 year deal… it’s 10+. This entire contract is a laundry list of managements wet dreams, and we get crap, nadda, nothing. Why in the HELL would management come back to the table in 2 years?! For what?!? We’re giving them everything they’ve ever wanted right now. No line pilots in TK (their end goal, this lets the camels nose under the tent), 0600 reserve day 1, scope concessions… for a 9% raise that’s a pay cut as of 24 months after the amenable date. When short calls were introduced in 2012 it was only supposed to be for irregular ops, a tool that would never get used. Now look at it. We’re the only airline with FSB. There isnt a single win in this thing for any part of this line flying pilot group. Spare me your recession fear mongering. If it’s going to be so bad why is the company hiring nonstop at break neck pace?!? Why do they need to staff TK and the LCA ranks so bad? Why are we breaking ground on ANOTHER new sim building for 12 more FFS and 12 FTDs? Why are we taking delivery of a new narrow body every three days? Get bent! |
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