Tell you what I’ll save you from wasting your time
on the MEC sales show. Brad H is going to say. If we push for DAL LTD the company is going to want DAL type health insurace which we believe is inferior. Also you have to see this from the company point of view, etc, etc , etc.

DAL LTD is 100% paid for by the company. That’s why it’s taxable. Ours is a 80/20 or 70/30
split using post tax dollars that’s why our benefit is tax free.

What’s it worth to protect our pilots from the catastrophic career ending (or for an extended period of time) LTD? It wouldn’t go up that much, plus we could negotiate a bigger portion to be paid by the company.

FYI - both Spirit and JetBlue have the pilot option to purchase individually up to 15K per month. I’d be open to the pilot option to pay extra because it’s worth alot for me.

I’ll run some numbers later and post. Remember our MEC R&I Chairman (arguable the most knowledgeable on this subject) stated to me he’d also much prefer DAL’s LTD vs ours. He said that from the perspective of what best for the entire UAL pilot group not a certain segment.

It was refreshing to have a subject matter expert from the MEC not sell or a sugar coat the LTD in the TA. He was honest and said the DAL LTD is much better and if we want it changed in TA 2 (if the TA is rejected) let your LEC reps know because they direct the NC on what to attain. Thus me starting this thread. Good on Fred Greene for being honest and not selling this POS.

The problem with negotiating a contract is that you become very attached to what the fruits of your labor are. I’ve had to deal with it before when I had a hand in negotiating two contracts at the regionals. When I was a Rep at one of my regional carriers, we had some serious concessions that we gave the Company. The most serious was baseball style arbitration for pay. I was told by my NC Chairman that I had better get behind this TA because he needed to retire. My answer to him was that I would not “get behind” any TA. My job was to simply explain how provisions within the TA would affect my constituents. That is all!!! No sales job, just information. BTW we fought hard to remove ANY conditional language (i.e. may, might elect to, etc.) because that actually protects both sides.

Moral to the story is that there should be no sales job, but that ends up happening because we’re human. So that needs to guarded against!!!

Fadec is on a roll. I can’t wait for the next fish to bite.

Someone tell grandpa what a troll is. Fadec randomly posts something of value but 9/10 it is off the wall trolling.

DAL could make the 100% company paid Ltd a taxable benefit. Making the benefit tax free upon receiving it. At f9 we can do this annually during open enrollment. It’s a pretty nice provision. You decide if the 100% company paid benefit is taxable or not.

The option to buy up is nice. Let’s those that want it buy up while keeping premiums down (for those making it taxable).

Why pilots here aren't clamoring for Delta's LTD is beyond me. They're a direct competitor and there's no reason we shouldn't have it, too. Do better, United pilots.

Thank you! Got to tell you I’m really disheartened by the lack of response on this thread.

I view our pathetic LTD in this TA just as important (no more no less) as every other substandard part of this totally concessionary
TA. We deserve just as much as DAL gets. Their LTD was negotiated in their current contract from 2016. Wait till they blow us away with all the gains in the contract being negotiated now. Those saying there DAL and we can’t afford it is total BS. We don’t deserve one penny less then DAL.

You never think you’ll need LTD till your on it. How egregious that in this TA you get half of the retirement component as DAL gets now and that’s after getting nada, a big fat zero for the first three years on LTD.

There’s no reason if this TA fails (I’m starting to get a bad felling this POS nay actually pass) LTD can’t be added to the already large list of improvements in TA-2.

So fellow UAL pilots please tell me. Is that lack of response on the thread agreement that our TA LTD is woefully in adequate and must be changed in TA-2 or nobody gives a sh*t?

I think most are just waiting until the 15th so we can get to work, recall, and clean house so we can get paid. Clearly, we're not being well represented. Our LTD and sick leave are both a disgrace. Delta sick starts at 50 hours and goes up 25 hours per year maxing at 270 hours. Use or lose each year. We get 60 hours. There is so much in this contract that is a joke. Fly the contract.