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worstpilotever 08-20-2022 01:35 PM


Originally Posted by Meekrob (Post 3480796)
Forget buying a house, I can't even qualify for a 1 bed/bath in the bay area on first year pay. A 650 sqft apartment is $3000/month not including utilities in an area where you probably won't get shot walking to your car. 90k is well below the poverty line in the Bay Area. Average salary is about $150k

i have a 3 bedroom 1 bath apt available first of the month. 3900 if you are interested.

Swakid8 08-20-2022 02:01 PM


Originally Posted by jdm7999 (Post 3480817)
So, newbie question here (start BI in a couple weeks). I see that there were only 4 total FO slots available for DCA and they were for WB. Does this mean that DCA slots (esp NB DCA slots) are going to be super hard to come-by?

Depends on your age and where you will fall in class. The NB went senior in my class. I am 38 and I was about 50 percent and missed it by 1.

I am too trying to get to DCA but on the 756….

Mitch Rapp 08-20-2022 05:34 PM


Originally Posted by KnightNight (Post 3480712)
Some bases the reserve schedule , while unpredictable will be similar to what they are holding as FO. But as a captain the pay increase from year 1 FO to year 2 captain is easily 10k when you include 401k

RSV as a junior CA is infinitely worse than RSV as a junior FO in the same BES. WHY? Because the company staffs the FO side thin, but the CA side is staffed extra razor thin. So while an FO may get a few unused RSV days, expect to fly most if not every day as a junior CA on RSV.

GoCats67 08-20-2022 05:37 PM


Originally Posted by jdm7999 (Post 3480817)
So, newbie question here (start BI in a couple weeks). I see that there were only 4 total FO slots available for DCA and they were for WB. Does this mean that DCA slots (esp NB DCA slots) are going to be super hard to come-by?

So based on the Min/Max document that shows the minimum # of pilots in each Base/Acft/Seat combination it looks like they may be slightly overstaffed on the 320 in DCA. I say this because it shows the minimum number they would accept in that fleet at DCA to be slightly less than the number that are currently staffed there.

In ever other seat at DCA the Minimum number is the current staffed number or what they will have with the current advertised vacancies getting filled. What all that means on the bottom of the list is that every pilot in DCA on the 787/777/756/737 fleets that takes a bid to something else will have to be replaced. This is what we call "backfilling" and it is required to get to the minimum number that is published in every position across the airline and that process creates an ubelievable amount of movement at the bottom of the seniority list. So, even though you don't see any 737 FO positions advertised on the bid in DCA, I would be stunned if you don't see many of them awarded when the bid results are published. They will actually start to show on the snapshot that comes out Monday.

Meekrob 08-20-2022 07:34 PM


Originally Posted by worstpilotever (Post 3480865)
i have a 3 bedroom 1 bath apt available first of the month. 3900 if you are interested.

Yeah that’s more than what I make per month, thanks though

at6d 08-21-2022 12:17 AM

Don’t worry—even AZ is feeling rent price hikes. One bedroom apartments in nice areas are nearing $2K/month. North Scottsdale. Tempe, 2 bedrooms are $2k now. Ridiculous.

Gooselives 08-21-2022 12:54 AM

Why we need more than 4 percent pay raise

hummingbear 08-21-2022 07:52 AM


Originally Posted by UALinIAH (Post 3480810)
That is why the majority of pilots in SFO are commuters……..

Exactly my point. “Just commute if you’re based in SFO”, then we bargain for RSV rules that destroy commuter schedules. But that’s not a problem because no one’s on RSV very long in SFO. But prices are going up all over the country, so even if you’re commuting from a cheaper area, your FO paycheck is rapidly losing value to inflation. “Not to worry, just suck it up for 1 year, then take a junior upgrade.” (Back to RSV.) Still can’t afford to live in SFO? “Just commute like everyone else.” Lousy QOL? “Hey commuting to RSV is a choice.”

That’s how a Ponzi scheme works. It’s lousy at the bottom & depends on rapid growth to get people quickly to the upper tiers. Eventually, exponential growth always becomes impossible. We need a contract that recognizes our national economy has changed drastically in a short period of time & seeks to make this a good job for an entire career- not just at the end.

But seriously 08-21-2022 11:08 AM


Originally Posted by hummingbear (Post 3481150)
Exactly my point. “Just commute if you’re based in SFO”, then we bargain for RSV rules that destroy commuter schedules. But that’s not a problem because no one’s on RSV very long in SFO. But prices are going up all over the country, so even if you’re commuting from a cheaper area, your FO paycheck is rapidly losing value to inflation. “Not to worry, just suck it up for 1 year, then take a junior upgrade.” (Back to RSV.) Still can’t afford to live in SFO? “Just commute like everyone else.” Lousy QOL? “Hey commuting to RSV is a choice.”

That’s how a Ponzi scheme works. It’s lousy at the bottom & depends on rapid growth to get people quickly to the upper tiers. Eventually, exponential growth always becomes impossible. We need a contract that recognizes our national economy has changed drastically in a short period of time & seeks to make this a good job for an entire career- not just at the end.


That’s not at all how a Ponzi scheme works.

Also…
Pilots deserve higher wages because there are very few people who have the qualifications to do this job, and lots of demand for it. We spend years training and carry an immense amount of responsibility. I’m all for demanding appropriate pay for that condition. Let’s not get dramatic and pretend that UAL pilots are out there living on food stamps. Even first year pay puts you well above the national median and average. Second year NB pay puts you solidly in the top 20% of earners in the country.
I think we deserve more because we put in the work and stayed dedicated to the craft when others wouldn’t or couldn’t and now we are in a position where the airlines need us, but it sounds a little silly making it sound like we are indentured servants.

Aldo Raine 08-21-2022 11:15 AM


Originally Posted by But seriously (Post 3481258)
That’s not at all how a Ponzi scheme works.

Also…
Pilots deserve higher wages because there are very few people who have the qualifications to do this job, and lots of demand for it. We spend years training and carry an immense amount of responsibility. I’m all for demanding appropriate pay for that condition. Let’s not get dramatic and pretend that UAL pilots are out there living on food stamps. Even first year pay puts you well above the national median and average. Second year NB pay puts you solidly in the top 20% of earners in the country.
I think we deserve more because we put in the work and stayed dedicated to the craft when others wouldn’t or couldn’t and now we are in a position where the airlines need us, but it sounds a little silly making it sound like we are indentured servants.

Sorry, but your knowledge and awareness of what people are making out there is dated. Does a year 1 or 2 FO make more than the average Amazon warehouse worker? Yes. Do they make more than automobile mechanics, construction workers, skilled trades, pharma or medical sales folks, 22 year-old tech workers at home on their laptops? No.


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