The Worst’er
 

AW Facts:

Should be recalled immediately.

-Unethical
-Saving the junior pilots is not her job….it literally is
-representation is selfish
-motivated by power and self interest
​​​​​​-lies
-grossly misunderstands contract language
​​​​​​-political theater
-false accusations
-childish
​​​​​-inappropriate drama
-manufactures crisis
-hides in a cloak of lies
-remains silent in critical moments and discussions
-does not represent the junior pilots
-only cares about her paycheck not her constituents
-voted against job saving loa

but but she voted no on the latest TA

anyone can vote no, it takes a good person to represent her pilots within her committee. Her interests of her own accord

watch out

Are you bypassing to C11 so you can present a resolution?

In the words of Old Mako..”Outstanding summation.”

My words perhaps, but not my sentiment. Ann has got more spine and union bona fides than you and Goosecrap combined.

Gotta love this guy.

Some folks are undaunted by being wrong all the time.

Makes sense.

And yet Jerry you do not deny the summary, because it is all true

The only item in your list that is remotely true is that she voted against the Covid LOA, so you are like the proverbial broken clock. Congrats you are right a couple times a day.

You are in dire need of a feedback loop.

The whip count must not be going too well out there in Vegas. Toddlers in a full blown panic. Resorting to finger pointing at others, because lord knows their dear leader TI could do no wrong.

Sad and interesting that people (won't call them "pilots", as we actually don't know if they are or not!) come on here and throw stuff like this on the wall, without having the Balls to identify themselves~

Say what you want to say about AW (C11 FO Rep).. but she's got bigger balls then alot of "pilots" around here.
And THAT is spoken as a badge of Honor...

Always
Motch

Yes she did vote against the Pandemic LOA. You say that like it’s a bad thing.

Close to half the pilots voted against the Pandemic LOA too.

The Toddler sycophants are coming out of the woodwork.


Tumi TA was going so poorly they wouldn’t even let us see the final vote.

She didn't carry herself with dignity on the other forum. She kept rabidly posting half truths and misinformation about the loa in between attacking peoples character if they didn't agree with her. I don't think anyone could read those threads and have a good feeling about her representing a rational argument. That LOA had good and bad and you could or should be able to see both sides. It ended up saving a lot of us a displacement, training cycle, and economic uncertainty.

It certainly saved the company a lot of displacements, training cycles, and economic uncertainty. And now goose can blame a pilot for not trying to save his job. Bravo.

i certainly don’t agree with everything she’s said, but here’s another fun AW fact:

She was elected after the Pandemic LOA vote.

That’s a solidly-supported list of unassailable facts you got going there.
:eek:

There will always be varying opinions within the pilot group. Imho, this chasm we find ourselves in is what you get under 6 years of TI who didn’t take into account the best interests of the pilot group as a whole but sought short sighted carve outs and side deals that promoted his own vision. We desperately need a strong MEC Chairman who can bring this pilot group together and work solely on our collective interests.

Just like you are spinning the reality of the loa she wasn't "trying to save his job" but was actively campaigning for him to be on the street. There are a million good arguments against the loa that were factual but instead she manufactured outrage and created a platform of ignorance which she ran on.

Utter garbage. She was not campaigning for people to be on the street. No one wanted that.

This is what you get under autocratic leadership when an LOA is crammed down our throats and you’re told if you vote against it you’re responsible for pilot suicides. An divisive LOA riddled with promises, gives and gutting the third rail of our contract, MPG.

TA1 was the inevitable “hold my beer” result of the LOA and an NC that had zero connectivity with line pilots but instead worked creatively to get us to vote for company wants. That is, those few times it actually went to a vote.

If it is so bad why would she need to lie about the contents of the loa, use ad hominem attacks against anyone who told her she wasn't understanding the loa, and creating conspiracy theory "what if" scenarios that were already negated by the TA. If you want to hate the LOA there are reasonable arguments to do so but she didn't do that. She embarrassed herself and the pilot group and obviously has no place representing us.

Being Furloughed is a big part of the “right of passage” as an airline pilot… eat the young and use the extra pot of $$$ to fly up to 100 hours every 30 days. 🤮

What we really need is hard monthly pay caps in the next UPA whenever pilots are furloughed… using the honor system is a joke with pilots who are on their third divorce or have a hangar full of planes and need 90+ hours each month to live paycheck to paycheck.

In this day and age of 30 yr First officers and 1 year Captains, who exactly is a junior pilot? Just being an FO does not make one junior.

I rarely comment about this type of stuff, but one thing I've noticed is that as a younger post merger hire, it always seems like the company has its stuff together and the union is a never ending **** show dumpster fire. And with all the politicking going on right now, I can't imagine new guys have a lot of faith in their representation.

With the company rapidly turning over its seniority list, the young dudes are going to reach critical mass in short order, and I have to imagine the distaste in how everyone has handled themselves this year will have a powerful impact on future votes.

She is more senior than the C11 Capt rep and now a Capt herself. The ability to understand pilots two generations below her as new hires in the 21St Century must be a superpower.

so how does a Captain rep who has 25+ years seniority understand a newly minted Captain who only has been on the property for 1 year and is two generations below him?

Yeah that's an interesting fact for sure. Millenials will be in charge soon, folks. "Hold my beer"

FO rep should resign when they upgrade to Captain… this rule needs to be established. I have no issues with her being our rep… just think she should have stepped down when upgrading to 787 CA.

Not a newly minted CA, just a new hire.

Should the C57 LAX FO rep when he upgraded to SFO 787 CA? How about the other three FO reps who are Captains? What council are you in?

Yes totally agree! Only cares about her paycheck.

Her? There are four FO reps on the MEC who are Captains including the C57 LAX FO rep who is a SFO 787 CA. Should they resign?

face palms.

ok so a 1 year Captain is totally understood by the Captain rep, but a new hire isn’t by the FO rep?

This. I am brand spankin' new...first contract, prior mil. Lots of "this never happens" type drama. Feels like high school or something. Pathetic. Pretty much a joke that's tough to ignore when every Captain has a different opinion on it. These elected "representatives" are acting like degenerates. Clean slate. New blood. Across the board. You have 2500+ very impressionable new hires that will be the majority soon. Stop embarrassing yourselves, step aside, and lets get this done.

Should probably have block reps instead of CA/FO Reps. I'm sure it would require a change to the constitution or by-laws but something to consider going forward. It would clear out some of the super senior people who are F/O Reps and have people more representative of the pilot group.

The FO rep is now senior to the Capt Rep, a capt themselves.

I’ve been here for 25 years and I’ve never had less trust or confidence in ALPA than I do right now. They are a complete ****e show and seeming to be getting worse.

so?

we have lots of First Officers who are senior to Captains.

They don't represent as union officials.

Trust in institutions as a whole is in decline. Media, universities, corporations, govt, big pharma/medical. Its not just ALPA.

The last six years of rampant abuse of power and corruption is unprecedented as is the wave of recalls. The line pilots obviously get it.

Hoss, true story from the Heppner files...

As USUAL, the RUMORS floating out just before Heppner's contract TA were horrendous. And as USUAL, they proved to be very ACCURATE. I am reminded of the 60 Minutes piece on our bankruptcy when spreyregen spoke about "managing expectations" I believe that the rumors were designed and released to allow the miasma to settle in slowly. To reduce expectations and let hot heads cool

Pilot spittle was flying around the crew room! Guys were ****ed. Meanwhile, the NOT SO SMART guys who wanted you to believe they were IN THE KNOW told us that we were FOS and that their buddy WHO KNEW A GUY assured them that the rumors were BS. Fast forward to day 4 of my trip. We were at the gate in SFO and guess who walks into the cockpit in jeans and a polo? Jay Heppner, the Grande Pooh-bah.

Jay says, "good news boys, we've got our TA" My BIG C Captain began asking specific questions about a few of the UGLYier rumors. Jay just shook his head "NO" over and over while holding his hands out wide as if he were holding a huge pie. "It's all there, It's all there" is all he would say. My Captain persisted. So did Jay, never answering his questions. "It's all there"

Guess what? A week or so later we are voting on a concessionary POS TA filled with "rumors". Two weeks later it passes. My disgust with the union (of which I used to be a proud member) began that day.

I REALLY thought that Insler would force positive change based on his performance as grievance chair. Nope. As far as I am concerned, UA-ALPA has been all downhill since that day in SFO. But insler has tilted the board solidly in UA's favor. He has fractured the group and lowered expectations. You guys have a LOT of work ahead of you. But it's nice to see the revolt. TumiTA was an abomination.