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BobbyLeeSwagger 10-18-2022 07:54 AM

I really like the CA-WBFO route.

KnightNight 10-18-2022 09:03 AM


Originally Posted by BAe3100FO (Post 3514877)
Exactly what I’m doing…and don’t forget the nice bump into the 401k that the company is giving me at that new pay rate. Maxing out my 401k allotment by June was nice too!

BUT: it does come with a hit to quality of life. ie. DAYS OFF. I’ve been used almost every day of RES (but that means your LPV will be 90-95 hours) -this month I’ve actually had unused RES days…

The justification for taking the upgrade came down to the fact that I (along with 4,700 other letters) got that potential furlough letter two years ago and then just a year later I’m able to hold Captain…well it was a no brainer for me. May as well make that hay while it’s still sunshine and rainbows 🌈

- YMMV

Yes I wanted to be in the seat I wanted should the music stop. Having a choice is nice! Gotta do it while we can

Knotcher 10-18-2022 11:39 AM


Originally Posted by BAe3100FO (Post 3514877)
Exactly what I’m doing…and don’t forget the nice bump into the 401k that the company is giving me at that new pay rate. Maxing out my 401k allotment by June was nice too!

BUT: it does come with a hit to quality of life. ie. DAYS OFF. I’ve been used almost every day of RES (but that means your LPV will be 90-95 hours) -this month I’ve actually had unused RES days…

The justification for taking the upgrade came down to the fact that I (along with 4,700 other letters) got that potential furlough letter two years ago and then just a year later I’m able to hold Captain…well it was a no brainer for me. May as well make that hay while it’s still sunshine and rainbows 🌈

- YMMV

Pretty sure 4700 letters didn't go out,

BAe3100FO 10-18-2022 11:57 AM


Originally Posted by Knotcher (Post 3515157)
Pretty sure 4700 letters didn't go out,

Thanks for your wisdom and input.

webecheck 10-18-2022 12:02 PM


Originally Posted by Knotcher (Post 3515157)
Pretty sure 4700 letters didn't go out,

I’m absolutely sure that many didn’t. And that was a cataclysmic time period, planning and reacting to that is chicken little stuff.

commute to basic reserve, can’t pay me enough. If one actually analyzes the income made to hours spent dealing with the job, you make less than a wbfo line holder. To each their own, but the wb right seat is littered with seniors that refuse the Capt pay rate. Good for those who make that choice, I love that we have so many options at our airline, just a word of caution to actually tabulate how many hours of pain you’ll deal with by making that bid…and your life at home/hobbies will suffer.

BobbyLeeSwagger 10-18-2022 12:04 PM

I don't think guppy CA rsv will be longer than 1.2 yrs in the coasts. Change my mind

UALinIAH 10-18-2022 12:10 PM


Originally Posted by BobbyLeeSwagger (Post 3515178)
I don't think guppy CA rsv will be longer than 1.2 yrs in the coasts. Change my mind

My guess is they will unless they can bid out (even then they’d be coming in Jr and back near the bottom in a new base) Just my hunch, but my guess is that the new bases being opened is to relieve some of the stress off the coastal bases where they can’t fill seats. Like MCO for EWR relief and LAS for West coast relief. They won’t go junior so those Jr CAs will still be junior and stuck for a while. If I was on the fence I’d personally at least wait until we know more about the possible new bases. They didn’t even bother wasting their time offering NC CA slots on the coasts in the current vacancy.

JTwift 10-18-2022 12:51 PM


Originally Posted by UALinIAH (Post 3515183)
My guess is they will unless they can bid out (even then they’d be coming in Jr and back near the bottom in a new base) Just my hunch, but my guess is that the new bases being opened is to relieve some of the stress off the coastal bases where they can’t fill seats. Like MCO for EWR relief and LAS for West coast relief. They won’t go junior so those Jr CAs will still be junior and stuck for a while. If I was on the fence I’d personally at least wait until we know more about the possible new bases. They didn’t even bother wasting their time offering NC CA slots on the coasts in the current vacancy.

Yeah, I have a feeling that the coastal CA spots are being 'saved up' for whatever new base(s) are soon to open. So those 80 EWR CA unfilled (or whatever the number), will transfer to MCO/TPA....or wherever the base is.

horrido27 10-18-2022 01:04 PM


Originally Posted by webecheck (Post 3515176)
I’m absolutely sure that many didn’t. And that was a cataclysmic time period, planning and reacting to that is chicken little stuff.

That DID NOT HAPPEN..
And it is sometimes sad what people post and others may think as facts.
As someone who would have been in that 4700 pilot category, I had a phone call from my CP concerning my "negative" views on the LOA. It was mentioned at the time that if this LOA failed, the company could have furloughed up to 5000... to include me.
While I might not like that, so be it.. BECAUSE-
Per the UPA, I need 90 day Notice (takes us up to 1 Jan 2021)
Then..
I get 4 and 1/2 months pay (pays me to middle of May 21)

I NEVER expected the company to pull the trigger because of the mayhem it would have caused them.. But it was a great FEAR motivator.
I have certain skills to fall back on. We are ALL Professional Pilots. There will ALWAYS be flying jobs out there. (maybe they won't pay nearly the same.. but oh well. it's short term).
I (like many others out there) have a few skills beside piloting.

End of the Day, I believe it was roughly 2250ish pilots who got the WARN notice. Sucks for them but there is a price to being junior. Just like there is a price being junior on the BES of your choice when times are better.

I do agree, take a bid where you feel comfortable to sit in if (when) the music stops. Also understand- once the music stops.. the contract has to be complied with.
Glad it may have worked out for you but never forget, it didn't work out for some others.

Always
Motch

hummingbear 10-18-2022 01:09 PM


Originally Posted by JTwift (Post 3515228)
Yeah, I have a feeling that the coastal CA spots are being 'saved up' for whatever new base(s) are soon to open. So those 80 EWR CA unfilled (or whatever the number), will transfer to MCO/TPA....or wherever the base is.

Trick is, if they open a FL base, for example, a lot of those CAs are going to be senior guys coming from EWR. So you draw down the EWR flying, but lose a lot of hub staffing in the process. At the end of the day, you still need people willing to sit reserve in EWR; so how well it addresses the problem remains to be seen.

I still say as the current hiring tsunami continues to hit their respective 1 year marks, there will be an increasing number willing to bear the pains of juniority for CA pay. Will be interesting to see how it all plays out, though.


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