SPAWNmaster

Hello. I'm trying to get some data to illustrate to the wife the pros/cons of staying at the LCC we're currently at vs going to UAL. I wasn't able to find a seniority calculator like the delta one so hoping someone can fill in the gaps for me. Bonus points if you can show me a resource or something that I can look it up without bothering y'all.

Current time to hold a line FO NB EWR?
Current time to CA NB EWR?
Current time to hold a line CA NB EWR?
Current time to hold a line FO 777 or 787 EWR?
Current time to CA 777 or 787 EWR?
Current time to hold a line CA 777 or 787 EWR?

Thank you and appreciate in advance any data y'all can provide to help me make the business case to the boss here.

goinaround

Yeah good luck with that. Things will move fast on a NB fleet in EWR. What you should be concerned about is what your seniority will hold during the years that you are at the top of the pay scale.

Brickfire

Couple months
Exactly one year
Something like 55% seniority company wide
Not sure, less than 737 ca
Long time
Lonnnnnnng time

If you want a current, actionable data point, EWR 737ca is available at exactly one year as soon as you meet contractual minimums to upgrade. It has been like that for six months and there’s a decent chance It will remain so long enough for you to hit one year.

bkC130

Answers to your questions may be quickly "OBE" as we have a large vacancy bid opening today which includes initial filling of the new Vegas and Orlando 737 bases. The latter base will have the greatest impact on EWR seniority as that is, by far, the commute of choice for over 1,000 UAL pilots living in FL. Right NOW, you can hold 737 Captain at any UAL base except Houston as soon as you are off probation with 500 UAL hours which is 12 months time. Assuming that 80% seniority is 737 CA lineholder seniority, that is currently at about '15/'16 hires at both EWR and IAD. Meanwhile, on the WB side you can hold 777 or 787 FO at any of the coastal bases (EWR, IAD, LAX, SFO) in your first year if it's not available in your newhire class. WB FO at places like ORD, IAH and DEN are all down to less than 2-3 years as well. Being a WB lineholder, however, requires closer to 70% than 80% seniority because the "G line" is usually higher with seasonal flying fluctuation that is greater than the NB fleets. So 777 or 787 FO lineholder in the coastal bases is probably in the 3-4 year range but can vary across fleets a bit. Again, all these numbers are changing rapidly...generally all coming DOWN in time. Good luck!

ThumbsUp

FWIW, we do have a seniority progresssion calculator, but 1) it doesn’t take into account growth and 2) you have to be an employee to see it. Unitedseniority.com.

johnwick

Pretty much agree with Backfire on his answers. Upgrade times at the moment are at the 1-year mark, although you'll be on reserve for a few years more than likely. There are plenty of folks waiting to hold a line to upgrade, but there are lots of WB F/Os that never want to fly a NB again! Reserve in base is "palatable" but not great (hopefully that gets fixed with a new contract). Commuting to reserve is pretty much a no-go for most people. I've been on property for a little over 9 years and hold NB CA in EWR as a junior line holder (~ 65% in base). There will be plenty of upward movement in the next several years, based on the aircraft orders and retirements alone, so I would say the time to a NB CA line will come down. Pull the trigger and c'mon over, the water is warm. You can also do the WB FO thing and get a "better" schedule if you choose to do that type of flying and make very close to what a NB CA makes on reserve. But at least you'll have that option. I know the whole "happy wife=happy life" mantra, but YOU are the man of the house. Run the castle the way you feel is right!! Best of luck. Oh, keep in mind I'm divorced, so take that advice at your own risk! ;-)

FyrePilot

Sorry to bring this thread back up from the grave, but considering making the jump over to UAL. (grass is greener on the other side syndrome)


I am 38, born in 1985. So I could theoretically fly until about 2050. I know UA has hired a ton recently, and many are probably younger than me.

Delta simulator from the top of this thread says I would not make it past about seniority number 5000. So rounding off means I would never be in top 30%



Any idea on how far up the list I would make it at UA about 27 years from now using today's numbers?



Some former skywest guy posted spreadsheets on FB a while back, but I can't find those anymore

shreddykreuger

I’m one year younger than you and I’ll retire just under 2400, I was hired earlier this year.

ThumbsUp

Depending on the month you born, there are 3200-3400 younger than you currently on property.

KnightNight

With what they want for growth , 3000 is the new 1,000. They keep saying 28,000 pilots is the plan, even if it ends up at 20,000 it’s still good growth. You don’t need amazing seniority to have great qol especially if widebody flying works for you.