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ugleeual 01-01-2023 11:35 AM


Originally Posted by Tini (Post 3563403)
Your definition of “work” needs to change. An unused short call is 100% a day at work. Would you be ok with being on short call every day of the month?

They’d need to build in at least 30 hours rest in 7… so your question really isn’t relevant. But Sure if it were legal… if they paid me appropriately (140-150 hours credit time?) I’d do it on some months for $45K (756CA rate).

Playing golf 3-4 times a week while carrying my cell is not what I consider work… and I make a $hit ton of money doing it. So I get called 25% of time and curtail my golf round… big whoop.

JTwift 01-01-2023 12:19 PM


Originally Posted by ugleeual (Post 3563430)
They’d need to build in at least 30 hours rest in 7… so your question really isn’t relevant. But Sure if it were legal… if they paid me appropriately (140-150 hours credit time?) I’d do it on some months for $45K (756CA rate).

Playing golf 3-4 times a week while carrying my cell is not what I consider work… and I make a $hit ton of money doing it. So I get called 25% of time and curtail my golf round… big whoop.

sucks for commuters, though, which a large portion of the pilots are.

and don’t say “just move to Jersey!” Because I can’t even remotely afford it and my wife would hate it.

PK387 01-01-2023 03:05 PM


Originally Posted by futurepilotjr (Post 3563393)
Has SFO/EWR 756 CA gone to a 2021 hire? I saw LAX did..

Most junior from the latest vacancy:

EWR 756 CA - Mar 2017 hire
SFO 756 CA - Oct 2021 hire (plus one slot unfilled)

ugleeual 01-01-2023 04:05 PM


Originally Posted by JTwift (Post 3563444)
sucks for commuters, though, which a large portion of the pilots are.

and don’t say “just move to Jersey!” Because I can’t even remotely afford it and my wife would hate it.

i hear you… commuted to EWR for 9 months and didn’t like it one bit. My home away from home was EWR Marriott…

Furloughedboi 01-03-2023 02:40 PM


Originally Posted by ugleeual (Post 3562841)
I don’t think the older bubbas are gonna bite off on that! I do think their needs to be some QoL improvements (SC/FSB, first day report, rolling days off, etc) for RSV… just don’t want a lot of bargaining capital making reserve so awesome that it’s a better gig than being a solid lineholder!

The logic of this statement makes absolutely no sense to me.

You don’t want to make RSV better than being a line holder. Why not? RSV will go senior and why is that a bad thing? Something has to be senior, why are you gonna draw a line in the sand and worship the line

TFAYD 01-03-2023 05:55 PM


Originally Posted by Furloughedboi (Post 3564478)
The logic of this statement makes absolutely no sense to me.

You don’t want to make RSV better than being a line holder. Why not? RSV will go senior and why is that a bad thing? Something has to be senior, why are you gonna draw a line in the sand and worship the line

I am not sure that the goal is to make reserve senior.

I would describe it as closing the gap between #1 and the last guy in a BES. The difference in terms of $ and QoL is huge. It should be more balanced.

once some senior folks opt for reserve vs. junior folks being forced into it we will have reached some state of balance.

Furloughedboi 01-03-2023 08:18 PM


Originally Posted by TFAYD (Post 3564581)
I am not sure that the goal is to make reserve senior.

I would describe it as closing the gap between #1 and the last guy in a BES. The difference in terms of $ and QoL is huge. It should be more balanced.

once some senior folks opt for reserve vs. junior folks being forced into it we will have reached some state of balance.

I didn’t mean our goal should be make RSV super senior, but the idea that RSV NEEDS to be junior and worse than being a line holder is an antiquated one and is the reason why people don’t upgrade at UAL. There isn’t one valid reason why RSV shouldn’t have a similar QOL to that of a line holder, which would allow people to choose what works for them rather than being forced into RSV like we are now

m3113n1a1 01-03-2023 10:52 PM


Originally Posted by Knotcher (Post 3562249)
Not saying junior should have a bad quality of life. But absolutely senior should have a better QOL than junior. Otherwise what is the point of seniority? Yes you should be rewarded for more service and contributions to the company than the guy that got hired yesterday. But I guess the current generation getting hired has boxes of childhood participation trophies from in their closet.

Saying you should get something for just being senior is LITERALLY the same thing as a "participation trophy."

Pilot4000 01-04-2023 02:35 AM


Originally Posted by ugleeual (Post 3563430)
They’d need to build in at least 30 hours rest in 7… so your question really isn’t relevant. But Sure if it were legal… if they paid me appropriately (140-150 hours credit time?) I’d do it on some months for $45K (756CA rate).

Playing golf 3-4 times a week while carrying my cell is not what I consider work… and I make a $hit ton of money doing it. So I get called 25% of time and curtail my golf round… big whoop.

Can you drink a beer while playing that golf game? No? Then you're working.

If you can't turn your cell phone off or drink a beer, then you are working.

hummingbear 01-04-2023 03:20 AM


Originally Posted by Pilot4000 (Post 3564690)
Can you drink a beer while playing that golf game? No? Then you're working.

If you can't turn your cell phone off or drink a beer, then you are working.

Not disagreeing with the greater logic per se, but if your time off is defined primarily by your ability to consume alcohol it may be time to seek help.


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