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Originally Posted by jdavk (Post 3572910)

We did but it was called ARC (Airport Ready Crew) at the time.

Um, when was that. Never had it when I was there.

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Originally Posted by horrido27 (Post 3572860)

For those who were screaming about United and Field Stand By.. seems Delta will now have it too, thought by another name and different rules.

Voluntary Airport Standby (23.EE)
Offered, not forced. Seems it pays 3 hours if not used, 3 hours plus trip if used. 6 hours at the airport and need to depart immediately if used.

Also seems that their reserves got a few more days off (1 or 2 based on monthly line credit).

I understand that everyone is probably rushing to Section 3 (compensation).. but said it before-
Rate PLUS work rules PLUS soft pay PLUS Retirement = Total Compensation

let the games begin,
be interesting to see what the final numbers are (at Delta), but don’t see this failing.

Always
Motch

23 EE. (New) – Voluntary Airport Standby
- Establish voluntary airport availability periods for Regular and Reserve pilots
- Pay is ADG pay/credit plus 3:00 pay/no credit
- May only be awarded to pilots who volunteer, and may not be assigned under any
circumstance
- Airport standby must be utilized before any pilot is rerouted
- Pilot must be released when they transit their base, but no later than the second
calendar day.
- If assigned a rotation, pay will be the value of the assigned rotation as pay/credit and
3:00 pay/no credit for each calendar day.
- See Negotiators’ Notepad 23-06 for further information

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Originally Posted by GPullR (Post 3572911)

Um, when was that. Never had it when I was there.

I'd have to do some digging but I think it was either the '95 or '97 contracts (and prior). Fortunately it was seldom used, at least it was when I was doing scheduling work for the Union.

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Originally Posted by NotMrNiceGuy (Post 3572918)

I could see commuters doing that here.

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Originally Posted by horrido27 (Post 3572860)

the operative word is VOLUNTARY

I am open to lots of things as long as they are voluntary.

the pay is also much better than Tumi

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Originally Posted by TFAYD (Post 3572974)

the operative word is VOLUNTARY

I am open to lots of things as long as they are voluntary.

the pay is also much better than Tumi

Agreed.
It “sounds” like this is actually a win win for both sides, as it gives pilots the opportunity to choose if they want to do this (which, some will always) while giving the company some operational flexibility when they “feel” they need it.

Though, one thing that was mentioned to me that should give everyone food for thought-
18hr Long Callout sounds great. But will they turn around and just put MORE pilots on Short Call as they have the ability to do that up to 6 times in a month? [23.S.2.c]
It does sound that, if put on SC, an individual could then volunteer to be a VAS (if it’s offered)

Hopefully these are the types of questions that get asked and answered on their side, so we know what to ask for and watch out for on our side!

Motch

PS) nothing like being woken up at 1am(ish) while on LSR- to be put on SC22! Hence, now I’m up! Lol

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Originally Posted by But seriously (Post 3572889)

I don’t know why this would be an unpopular opinion. If there are enough people to voluntarily pickup all the FSBs for the ADD pay, then no one gets them who doesn’t actually want them. Everyone wins.

There are a lot of people here who are for ending FSB w/ no exceptions. I’ve always been in the camp of keep it if you need it, but pay enough to make it worth my time. I always said if it paid well enough, the assignments would go senior & it would be rare to get one against your will. Delta making it purely voluntary takes that another step forward & I think would be enough to sell a lot of the “never FSB-ers” on it, too.