Agree. The challenge for the company is how to pry them out of a lineholding right seat.

THIS!
As someone who went through two full training cycles at TK last year, I can attest to the problems with instruction now.
While 98% were great, there was definitely a difference in instructions from those who had time and had flown the aircraft operationally, and those who had not.

But just as the PROFIT SHARING Thread shows, the view from management is- it doesn’t matter and it’s important to place the blame on the union and away from the suites.

I understand that new(ish),younger pilots may be giddy with being an instructor on heavy metal.. at 9th yr FO pay.
But what ever happened to being a Pilot?!

It use to be-
You needed High Multi Time
High Flight Time
TPIC Time
4yr College degree
Clean Record

to be hired…
and as such, you received-
Decent pay (increasing with seniority)
Decent Quality of Life
A Pension when you retired at 60

The second part was taken away at many carriers due to bankruptcy. But there was a drive to get them back~
Now the first part is no longer true so the second part won’t be true either.

Not trying to thread drift.
someone posted the pay/hour difference between being a line holder vs a TK instructor.
someone else mentioned being home every night.
You be the judge but it would seem to me, being a junior TK instructor is losing a lot of QoL for pay.
Should you have the option to choose.. sure.
But again, were you hired as a Professional Airline Pilot or to be an instructor?

If our company won’t set any “standards”*, do we as individuals need to set the standards?

food for thought.
Always
Motch

*2 years flying the line, 1000hrs in type.

*2 years flying the line, 1000hrs in type.

Is a fair ask in my opinion.

Sorry for my ignorance and questions, I did not join yet.

FOs can be instructors at United?
What are the minimum requirements?
Can you be an instructor in a fleet that you are not actually flying? New FO with previous experience on 777 for example, but flying the 320 on property.
How about your base? Must be based at Denver to do it or how it works?
How about pay?
Thank you!!

Tangalanga

You have to be in your 9th year to make 9 year FO pay. That is the cap, not the standard rate.

Reads Motch's post, and goes-

"Wait, I can be a 777 PI as a new hire? Details?"

I just found that funny, sorry lol.

I remember going through fleet training with a PI who was a new hire PI on the 747 and in the 30 years since had never left the building. I certainly agree that there should be some standard for flying the aircraft you are training people to fly and at some point actually flying the line.

What if you bid captain?

If you want the seat and pay then you leave the training center and go fly as a CA. You’re PI pay is ALWAYS based on your “year” of service up to 9 years. Then you go up to what you can hold as an FO and stop there. Make sense?

edited for clarity

You must be off probation, and apply for and be hired as an instructor. Pay is 90 hours at whatever aircraft you could hold, regardless of what you actually fly. So any 737 instructor with a pulse could hold a 777 FO right now, therefore they get paid as if they're a WB FO, capped at the 9 year mark. A 2 year 73 TI is paid as a 2 year 777 FO x 90 hrs a month. A 12 year FO only makes the 9 year pay band. Most instructors seem to be in that "I could be a CA, but why sit on reserve forever" niche