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01-16-2023 | 06:50 PM
#21
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we’ll agree to disagree,
another little nugget-
still 5:15 pay(per day) BUT- International Override AND Over Water Override
So now, that 3 day LHR that pays us 15hr and $6 an hour (Capt) Override.. but pays them-
15:45 and $14:50 an hour override.
I’ve stated the desire to see 5:20 a day.. but an overwater override?! Wow.. good on them.
lots of little items to see in their PWA. Road shows followed up with internet discussions are gonna be real~
Motch
PS) 5:20 a day plus those overrides means we are slightly ahead of them. And that’s a good thing.
American is basically screwed.. it WILL be a choice of us or Delta going forward, with regards to new hires.
another little nugget-
still 5:15 pay(per day) BUT- International Override AND Over Water Override
So now, that 3 day LHR that pays us 15hr and $6 an hour (Capt) Override.. but pays them-
15:45 and $14:50 an hour override.
I’ve stated the desire to see 5:20 a day.. but an overwater override?! Wow.. good on them.
lots of little items to see in their PWA. Road shows followed up with internet discussions are gonna be real~
Motch
PS) 5:20 a day plus those overrides means we are slightly ahead of them. And that’s a good thing.
American is basically screwed.. it WILL be a choice of us or Delta going forward, with regards to new hires.
01-16-2023 | 06:55 PM
#22
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Joined: Jul 2015
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From: MD-88 FO
we’ll agree to disagree,
another little nugget-
still 5:15 pay(per day) BUT- International Override AND Over Water Override
So now, that 3 day LHR that pays us 15hr and $6 an hour (Capt) Override.. but pays them-
15:45 and $14:50 an hour override.
I’ve stated the desire to see 5:20 a day.. but an overwater override?! Wow.. good on them.
lots of little items to see in their PWA. Road shows followed up with internet discussions are gonna be real~
Motch
PS) 5:20 a day plus those overrides means we are slightly ahead of them. And that’s a good thing.
American is basically screwed.. it WILL be a choice of us or Delta going forward, with regards to new hires.
another little nugget-
still 5:15 pay(per day) BUT- International Override AND Over Water Override
So now, that 3 day LHR that pays us 15hr and $6 an hour (Capt) Override.. but pays them-
15:45 and $14:50 an hour override.
I’ve stated the desire to see 5:20 a day.. but an overwater override?! Wow.. good on them.
lots of little items to see in their PWA. Road shows followed up with internet discussions are gonna be real~
Motch
PS) 5:20 a day plus those overrides means we are slightly ahead of them. And that’s a good thing.
American is basically screwed.. it WILL be a choice of us or Delta going forward, with regards to new hires.
01-16-2023 | 09:27 PM
#24
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From: 756 Left Side
I did ask a Delta Union guy this question tonight, and that was the answer he gave me.
thanks
Motch
01-16-2023 | 09:48 PM
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“Ocean crossing pay” means an hourly pay premium paid to a pilot for flight time flown on an ocean crossing flight segment operated on any aircraft that does not pay the highest hourly rate under Section 3 B. 2., provided there is a narrowbody category with an ocean crossing rotation published in the bid package for that month.
Exception: Ocean crossing segments between the U.S. mainland and Hawaii will not:
a. be considered for the purpose of triggering Ocean crossing pay, or
b. receive Ocean crossing pay.
Note: An ocean crossing flight segment operated on a narrowbody aircraft as a result of an unscheduled aircraft substitution (i.e., not published in the bid package) will receive Ocean crossing pay. Such substitution does not trigger ocean crossing pay for any other aircraft
So, again- I’m left wondering if this would pay on either side as-
The 763 is NOT in the highest pay category and
We (at United) have 752’s that cross the pond.
Got to love our “union” for putting items like this in our work agreements. Kinda like they are trying to dupe us.
So who IS getting that Overwater Override?
Motch
01-17-2023 | 04:00 AM
#29
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looking deeper into your “definitions”, I found this-
“Ocean crossing pay” means an hourly pay premium paid to a pilot for flight time flown on an ocean crossing flight segment operated on any aircraft that does not pay the highest hourly rate under Section 3 B. 2., provided there is a narrowbody category with an ocean crossing rotation published in the bid package for that month.
Exception: Ocean crossing segments between the U.S. mainland and Hawaii will not:
a. be considered for the purpose of triggering Ocean crossing pay, or
b. receive Ocean crossing pay.
Note: An ocean crossing flight segment operated on a narrowbody aircraft as a result of an unscheduled aircraft substitution (i.e., not published in the bid package) will receive Ocean crossing pay. Such substitution does not trigger ocean crossing pay for any other aircraft
So, again- I’m left wondering if this would pay on either side as-
The 763 is NOT in the highest pay category and
We (at United) have 752’s that cross the pond.
Got to love our “union” for putting items like this in our work agreements. Kinda like they are trying to dupe us.
So who IS getting that Overwater Override?
Motch
“Ocean crossing pay” means an hourly pay premium paid to a pilot for flight time flown on an ocean crossing flight segment operated on any aircraft that does not pay the highest hourly rate under Section 3 B. 2., provided there is a narrowbody category with an ocean crossing rotation published in the bid package for that month.
Exception: Ocean crossing segments between the U.S. mainland and Hawaii will not:
a. be considered for the purpose of triggering Ocean crossing pay, or
b. receive Ocean crossing pay.
Note: An ocean crossing flight segment operated on a narrowbody aircraft as a result of an unscheduled aircraft substitution (i.e., not published in the bid package) will receive Ocean crossing pay. Such substitution does not trigger ocean crossing pay for any other aircraft
So, again- I’m left wondering if this would pay on either side as-
The 763 is NOT in the highest pay category and
We (at United) have 752’s that cross the pond.
Got to love our “union” for putting items like this in our work agreements. Kinda like they are trying to dupe us.
So who IS getting that Overwater Override?
Motch
3 A. 10. & 3. J. (New) – Ocean Crossing Pay
- Ocean Crossing Pay
- $8/hr CAs, $6/hr FOs, paid as hourly premium for flight time flown on an ocean crossing flight segment, which is triggered by any narrowbody aircraft (other than B757 or A321NEO going to/from Hawaii) performing an ocean crossing as published in the bid package.
Wasn’t there something similar in Tumi? It’s essentially a pain benefit for having to cross the ocean in a long range NB.
01-17-2023 | 04:16 AM
#30
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From: MD-88 FO
Sorry. I read it backwards. It sounds more like premium pay for basically doing a two man ocean crossing in a narrow body to anywhere other than Hawaii. Boston to Western Europe kinda stuff. 3A10 & 3J
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