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ZapBrannigan 02-12-2023 06:09 AM


Originally Posted by Sixty N Two (Post 3590722)
Better work rules at SWA in terms of flexibility to work and earn versus drop and have time off.

You've been misinformed. There is no mechanism to drop in the SWA CBA. You can give stuff away, provided you find someone who wants what you’ve got. You can try to move it to another day, as long as it’s not a reserve block. Or you can call in sick.

Learjet driver 02-12-2023 08:15 AM


Originally Posted by TransWorld (Post 3590338)
How many of those 500 are replacements for metal being retired?

How many are net additions?

All 500 are growth under today’s plan. We are hiring 8000 plus pilots in the next 5 years to cover the growth. It is explosive growth at UAL right now. You would be crazy not to jump onboard.

horrido27 02-12-2023 08:26 AM


Originally Posted by FriendlyPilot (Post 3590629)
ORD Captain on the 737 is 1 year (because that’s the minimum at United). Every vacancy bid for the last year has had Captain vacancies in ORD. United has 200 787s on order, 450 more 737 MAX and 150 A-321s. One of every 5 Boeing planes coming off the assembly line for the next 8 years are coming to United.

You will have 10,000 pilots junior to you at United in 4 more years plus 5,000 retirements in the next decade. That’s pretty good furlough protection.

You have a LOT of choices living in ORD for United. You have one choice at SWA. Fly the 737 as an FO until you can upgrade in 8-10 years.

Definitely United..
Every United pilot hired back in the day was told they would be a Whale Captain, at Retirement… which would also be worth millions!
Lets not forget the statement “you’ll never have to update your logbook ever again!”

This is not meant to be a slam at the poster or thread starter.
Reality is, every carrier is a gamble. Every carrier has a culture. And every carrier has a direction.
Not putting down SWA but there is no doubt we offer more options and (hopefully) a better financial outlook.
That being written, If you were to look at all 3 majors (UAL/DAL/AA) you would have to agree that not all three are the same!

Based on a recent AW&ST article, Boeing has some serious issues with the 78. Do I think we will take delivery..yes. We WILL need to replace our 763’s at some point.
Will we get a new (ILC23) at some point (betting May-June of this year).. Yes. Will it change how junior the Left seat goes.. yes.

Good luck to the thread starter. If ya come here, see ya out on line~

Motch

Ni hao 02-12-2023 09:13 AM

MCO - I see the base long term. Once we get a UPA TPA will be included as a CO-base.

ORD- As stated can hold anything really even 787 is going junior now.

I have 4 buddies all 2-5 years with SWA in the process of trying to OR applying now.

If you wait tho the dynamics are shifting. United has hired over 4700 pilots in the last 3 years. With a projection of 2500 again in 2023. I just looked up a buddy who is 38 hired 2 months ago. He does not get below #2700 even at current retirement age of 65. Put another 2500 on top of that in 2023 some pilot 40 hired late 2023 may never crack 4500 with 25 years at UA.

Nucflash 02-12-2023 10:11 AM

This is definitely one of the clearer choices you will ever make in your life, guaranteed. Roughly 24 hours has passed since you first posted….have you applied yet? :D

Spesiellsporing 02-12-2023 10:33 AM


Originally Posted by Ni hao (Post 3590840)
MCO - I see the base long term. Once we get a UPA TPA will be included as a CO-base.

ORD- As stated can hold anything really even 787 is going junior now.

I have 4 buddies all 2-5 years with SWA in the process of trying to OR applying now.

If you wait tho the dynamics are shifting. United has hired over 4700 pilots in the last 3 years. With a projection of 2500 again in 2023. I just looked up a buddy who is 38 hired 2 months ago. He does not get below #2700 even at current retirement age of 65. Put another 2500 on top of that in 2023 some pilot 40 hired late 2023 may never crack 4500 with 25 years at UA.

Sobering thought. Seniority is everything.

MasterOfPuppets 02-12-2023 10:40 AM


Originally Posted by Ni hao;[url=tel:3590840
3590840[/url]]MCO - I see the base long term. Once we get a UPA TPA will be included as a CO-base.

ORD- As stated can hold anything really even 787 is going junior now.

I have 4 buddies all 2-5 years with SWA in the process of trying to OR applying now.

If you wait tho the dynamics are shifting. United has hired over 4700 pilots in the last 3 years. With a projection of 2500 again in 2023. I just looked up a buddy who is 38 hired 2 months ago. He does not get below #2700 even at current retirement age of 65. Put another 2500 on top of that in 2023 some pilot 40 hired late 2023 may never crack 4500 with 25 years at UA.


I just did the same with a buddy of mine who is starting soon and is 40…..he will hold WB CA if he wants it but it will need a commute to the coast and will probably never be the highly sought after South Pacific flying.

don’t wait to make the jump from another airline unless you are ok being a NB CA or senior WB FO.

jetset 02-12-2023 10:48 AM


Originally Posted by Spesiellsporing (Post 3590887)
Sobering thought. Seniority is everything.

A 40 yr old hired now at SWA will reach about 950 on the list at age 65, or about 10%

Sniper66 02-12-2023 11:21 AM


Originally Posted by jetset (Post 3590904)
A 40 yr old hired now at SWA will reach about 950 on the list at age 65, or about 10%



6450 retirements up to 2048 (age 65)

does not add up

jetset 02-12-2023 11:53 AM


Originally Posted by Sniper66 (Post 3590920)
6450 retirements up to 2048 (age 65)

does not add up

got the info from myseniority


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