pangolin

Paywall warning.

https://web.archive.org/web/20230216093727/https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2023/02/16/united-flight-maui-plunges-ocean/

The witness account sounds more like a pusher activation.

rickair7777

Too much early flap retraction could do that.

awax

Nope, apparently it was Angels

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awax

oops, that should have been .io

so, 12 foot ladder

Nordhavn

Lots of hiring in the last couple of years at all airlines. Not all of those new hires are competent people. Some of them have no business operating heavy machinery. Hopefully they will never upgrade.

three1five

I’d be fine calling the engineers who designed GPWS angelic. I’m sure they would be fine with that too.

wankel7

I'm curious if anybody has had a few extra minutes at the end of a sim session and tried flying through an improper flap retraction schedule during heavyweight climb out?

hummingbear

Certainly the pilot shortage has drastically changed the experience dynamic of hiring at the airlines in a short timeframe & I’m as concerned as anyone at the speed at which new pilots are finding themselves on heavy metal these days.

HOWEVER

Going to the press & singling out your own airline specifically as recklessly endangering the flying public is not the way to handle it. Part of the reason we have a union is so 15,000 individual cowboys with their own social agendas aren’t out there trying to represent us to the public.

Just an example: our union could be using these incidents to quietly advocate for increased experience/training gates along with increased pay & improved work rules to ensure the most experienced & qualified pilots are voluntarily filling seats like NBCA or WBFO. (I.e., better safety assurances for the airline & more money for us.) Instead, we’re publicly inviting lawyers to take that money from us in court.

Nordhavn

Maybe that person who went to the union has been waiting for that same union for decades to advocate on their behalf but instead said union talks out of both sides of their collective mouths and ultimately cares about one thing, money! I don't consider their talking to the media a politically motivated event. They are tired of seeing and flying with far too many FO's who have very little experience and do not belong in their seat. Corporate image and diversity quotas have no business in personnel decisions especially when public safety is at risk. This is not just a UAL problem, it is everywhere and most of us are sick of it.

Otterbox

I’m not even sure a United pilot leaked it to the media… that set messages that were be being read on TV have been making the rounds through AA and FedEx chat groups for weeks. It really wouldn’t surprise me to see someone from one of those two companies forwarded it to FN with their own slant to shift attention away from their near disasters.