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LAXtoDEN 02-24-2023 09:42 PM


Originally Posted by AxlF16 (Post 3597603)
In this case i don't think it's Kool-aid. This is EXACTLY the scenario Kirby has been planning for since pre-COVID. I'm not sure how realistic it is - or how much he's willing to invest in the pilot contract- but I do know that Kirby is trying to rule the world.

Tbh I just felt that post was unnecessary, speculative, and disrespectful. Believed it to be a United pilot who was feeling themselves after a few Red Bulls but it apparently was a fellow coworker.

If SK wants to rule the world it’s going to require matching Ed’s offer and then some. I have my doubts.

Whoopsmybad 02-25-2023 01:58 AM


Originally Posted by Aquaticus (Post 3597635)
Why are delta people posting here as if they are us? We all get our turn in the tumbler. We have bigger alligators closer to our canoe than worrying about Americans canoe. Go report light turbulence somewhere else.

He’s just got an axe to grind. Most people ignore him over on our threads. Please feel free to do the same.

Swakid8 02-25-2023 04:28 AM


Originally Posted by Aquaticus (Post 3597635)
Why are delta people posting here as if they are us? We all get our turn in the tumbler. We have bigger alligators closer to our canoe than worrying about Americans canoe. Go report light turbulence somewhere else.

I agree, which why I didn’t crap Southwest for their meltdown because it could very well be us next year…..

Flyweight 02-25-2023 05:04 AM


Originally Posted by Swakid8 (Post 3597675)
I agree, which why I didn’t crap Southwest for their meltdown because it could very well be us next year…..

DL guy here. He spams all the forums with rants/tabloid headlines and no discussion. The only guy on ignore

three1five 02-25-2023 06:54 AM


Originally Posted by LAXtoDEN (Post 3597643)
Tbh I just felt that post was unnecessary, speculative, and disrespectful. Believed it to be a United pilot who was feeling themselves after a few Red Bulls but it apparently was a fellow coworker.

If SK wants to rule the world it’s going to require matching Ed’s offer and then some. I have my doubts.

There’s some irony involved with giving advice about avoiding kool aid on page 1, then on pg 2 saying the path to ruling the world runs through Atlanta.

UAL pilot group needs to buckle down and get a fantastic contract. However, operational performance/market share and quality of pilot contract are related, but not directly proportional. SK has more on his plate than just pilots and it’s important to keep that in mind. A new contract might be a big issue for SK, but it’s an enormous issue for the pilots.

worstpilotever 02-25-2023 07:15 AM

If I was a major airline CEO (full disclosure....Im not) and I wanted to have the biggest bestest airline and looking a shrinking supply of pilots, what would I do? I think I would let the other major airline pass a TA and then find a way to leapfrog it considerably. For example, if that airline had a pay rate snap up, I would exceed the pay rates by a small amount, but say make a day worth 10 hours. Would require to bid on flight time rather than credit time, but now instead of working 13 days for 75 hours of pay, it becomes 130 hours of pay. (using 10 hours for easy math) This would blow the doors off the other airline and virtually all pilots would want to come to my airline instead of the other airline (unless, perhaps one lived in say, ATL)

ninerdriver 02-25-2023 07:23 AM


Originally Posted by three1five (Post 3597739)
There’s some irony involved with giving advice about avoiding kool aid on page 1, then on pg 2 saying the path to ruling the world runs through Atlanta.

If the path to ruling the world runs through Atlanta, then heaven help us all. Especially if it snows half an inch.

TFAYD 02-25-2023 07:27 AM


Originally Posted by worstpilotever (Post 3597746)
If I was a major airline CEO (full disclosure....Im not) and I wanted to have the biggest bestest airline and looking a shrinking supply of pilots, what would I do? I think I would let the other major airline pass a TA and then find a way to leapfrog it considerably. For example, if that airline had a pay rate snap up, I would exceed the pay rates by a small amount, but say make a day worth 10 hours. Would require to bid on flight time rather than credit time, but now instead of working 13 days for 75 hours of pay, it becomes 130 hours of pay. (using 10 hours for easy math) This would blow the doors off the other airline and virtually all pilots would want to come to my airline instead of the other airline (unless, perhaps one lived in say, ATL)

I disagree. The contract just needs to be good enough. Being #2 is fully sufficient. There is no need to lean in more than necessary. UA has no issues filling classes even with the current subpar contract.

what we will see is matching or better pay rates than DAL because that is very transparent and measurable. But the new contract will be severely lacking in QoL improvements. Roll back of the Tumi 1 debacle plus some minor gives somewhere else is all we will see.

jerryleber 02-25-2023 08:04 AM

https://simpleflying.com/american-ai...mmer-schedule/

Finessed 02-25-2023 08:15 AM


Originally Posted by jerryleber (Post 3597774)

Clickbait article by some JV “journalists” living in his mom’s basement. I enjoy criticizing AA”G” whenever I have the chance. All I’m reading is RJ flying going away. UAL removing RJ routes, AA cancelling RJ flights. It’s all the same. American Airlines doesn’t have a pilot staffing issue. Their WO’s have the pilot staffing issues.


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