Originally Posted by Finessed (Post 3597782)

Clickbait article by some JV “journalists” living in his mom’s basement.

Originally Posted by TFAYD (Post 3597753)

I disagree. The contract just needs to be good enough. Being #2 is fully sufficient. There is no need to lean in more than necessary. UA has no issues filling classes even with the current subpar contract.

what we will see is matching or better pay rates than DAL because that is very transparent and measurable. But the new contract will be severely lacking in QoL improvements. Roll back of the Tumi 1 debacle plus some minor gives somewhere else is all we will see.

Originally Posted by worstpilotever (Post 3597868)

Well I think you missed the point. UAL doesn't have trouble now, but if DL has a significantly better contract and Kirby keeps stalling, my guess is you will see empty seats. I believe WN is experiencing that right now.

Originally Posted by TFAYD (Post 3597873)

I didn’t miss the point.

UAL will have no issues filling seats as long as the contract is generally recognized as #2 or #3 in the industry. Lots of shiny new WB jet syndrome and fleet diversity points.

WN has issues because of ping upgrade times

if anyone AA will have issues before UA and I don’t think they do.

it is ludicrous to assume that you have to be #1 or go bust.

I also don’t think that Kirby will keep stalling.
he will counter with a proposal that is “good enough” - basically another extension with slightly improved but still subpar work rules and new competitive rates - but far from industry leading and we will take it.

Originally Posted by BobbyLeeSwagger (Post 3597910)

He's got thousands of former RJ and LCC pilots voting this time that came from better work rules and expect ual to be better still.

Originally Posted by worstpilotever (Post 3597746)

If I was a major airline CEO (full disclosure....Im not) and I wanted to have the biggest bestest airline and looking a shrinking supply of pilots, what would I do? I think I would let the other major airline pass a TA and then find a way to leapfrog it considerably. For example, if that airline had a pay rate snap up, I would exceed the pay rates by a small amount, but say make a day worth 10 hours. Would require to bid on flight time rather than credit time, but now instead of working 13 days for 75 hours of pay, it becomes 130 hours of pay. (using 10 hours for easy math) This would blow the doors off the other airline and virtually all pilots would want to come to my airline instead of the other airline (unless, perhaps one lived in say, ATL)

Originally Posted by RaginCajun (Post 3597615)

Doesn't this idiot work for Delta? Pack it up man and gtfo.

Originally Posted by 82spukram (Post 3597506)

LaxtoDen

Normally I would agree however so far we have been paying cash. Will this continue I have no idea but I believe most of the airplanes this year are cash with some financing.

we will see….also the 737 deal was apparently buy 1 get 2 because we had Max issues (like everyone and the 777) so the deal for all the airplanes over next few years is valued around 13B vs the industry normal would have been 17B.(I read that somewhere shortly after they announced the order).

time will tell but in reality the only thing I truly care about is a contract.