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gzsg 02-24-2023 10:34 AM

American Adrift
 
American is canceling over 50,000 flight this Summer. Over 10,000 at ORD.

Their management couldn’t be more clueless.

Amazing news for United.

In my opinion Kirby will want to close your contract ASAP after the Delta TA passes on March 1st. Just another crushing blow to American.

Even if American replaced their executive management team tomorrow it would take 4 years to right their ship. Kirby knows this and will destroy them.

Lobby your reps to be patient.

Delta came in with an exploding offer and we ate
it. Don’t fall for that trick.

Kirby needs this done.

Lufthansa is canceling over 30,000 flights this Summer.

United it printing money.

LAXtoDEN 02-24-2023 01:28 PM

Keep drinking that Kool-Aid. You’re taking on a significant amount of debt these next few years.

82spukram 02-24-2023 01:46 PM

LaxtoDen

Normally I would agree however so far we have been paying cash. Will this continue I have no idea but I believe most of the airplanes this year are cash with some financing.

we will see….also the 737 deal was apparently buy 1 get 2 because we had Max issues (like everyone and the 777) so the deal for all the airplanes over next few years is valued around 13B vs the industry normal would have been 17B.(I read that somewhere shortly after they announced the order).

time will tell but in reality the only thing I truly care about is a contract.

Swakid8 02-24-2023 02:25 PM


Originally Posted by 82spukram (Post 3597506)
LaxtoDen

Normally I would agree however so far we have been paying cash. Will this continue I have no idea but I believe most of the airplanes this year are cash with some financing.

we will see….also the 737 deal was apparently buy 1 get 2 because we had Max issues (like everyone and the 777) so the deal for all the airplanes over next few years is valued around 13B vs the industry normal would have been 17B.(I read that somewhere shortly after they announced the order).

time will tell but in reality the only thing I truly care about is a contract.

Also, A good chunk of the 737 Maxes United has picked up are white tails that were remarketed by Boeing (they were slated for carriers in China but were refused). United picked up them for a great deal.

flynd94 02-24-2023 04:51 PM


Originally Posted by LAXtoDEN (Post 3597498)
Keep drinking that Kool-Aid. You’re taking on a significant amount of debt these next few years.


also GSZG is a DAL pilot

LAXtoDEN 02-24-2023 06:08 PM


Originally Posted by flynd94 (Post 3597564)
also GSZG is a DAL pilot

Wow lol yup, you’re correct. That’s makes it even worse. Hopeful UA ALPA pulls something special, but I’d be shocked.

AxlF16 02-24-2023 07:11 PM


Originally Posted by LAXtoDEN (Post 3597498)
Keep drinking that Kool-Aid. You’re taking on a significant amount of debt these next few years.

In this case i don't think it's Kool-aid. This is EXACTLY the scenario Kirby has been planning for since pre-COVID. I'm not sure how realistic it is - or how much he's willing to invest in the pilot contract- but I do know that Kirby is trying to rule the world.

RaginCajun 02-24-2023 08:04 PM

Doesn't this idiot work for Delta? Pack it up man and gtfo.

Otterbox 02-24-2023 08:13 PM


Originally Posted by gzsg (Post 3597391)
American is canceling over 50,000 flight this Summer. Over 10,000 at ORD.

Their management couldn’t be more clueless.

Amazing news for United.

In my opinion Kirby will want to close your contract ASAP after the Delta TA passes on March 1st. Just another crushing blow to American.

Even if American replaced their executive management team tomorrow it would take 4 years to right their ship. Kirby knows this and will destroy them.

Lobby your reps to be patient.

Delta came in with an exploding offer and we ate
it. Don’t fall for that trick.

Kirby needs this done.

Lufthansa is canceling over 30,000 flights this Summer.

United it printing money.

American has been adrift since 2013…

Kirby is a bull**** artist. He’s smart and has No qualms lying to anyone to get what he wants… A lot of the **** QOL and industry lagging aspects of the AA contracts are courtesy of Kirby’s tenure there.

Aquaticus 02-24-2023 09:08 PM

Why are delta people posting here as if they are us? We all get our turn in the tumbler. We have bigger alligators closer to our canoe than worrying about Americans canoe. Go report light turbulence somewhere else.


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