… in the last bid and that doesn’t mean that there won’t those that wouldn’t have done it if the location was what they wanted. As long as we keep attracting enough people of any seniority demographic to upgrade, upgrades aren’t a problem. Only crew resources really knows what that number is.

I have been in this industry 35 plus years. I have never seen a strike vote less than 98%. It’s the norm. It’s a free vote that means very little other than generating press news and a few book aways.

So if my post is fictional will you please have the union send me my full retro check! You know, that line we were going to defend to the last man!
If you also don’t believe the NMB drives things to an industry standard solution I have some great investment advice for you.

Here we go. Senior pilots are blaming the junior pilots… If only you wouldn’t upgrade…

Maybe you should downgrade if you really want to forge the issue. But someone I bet that will never happen.

To the junior pilots here, upgrade or not, it is 100% your decision and no one else. Do not let senior pilots bully you into thinking you are the problem.

Assume much?? You know what that makes you, right?

People will do what’s best for their situation. I was simply pointing out that 140 unfilled CA positions out of approx 6100 Captains is not a concern to the Company.

As for me, I could have held CA for the last several years but choose not to. Partially due to the contract, and partially because I am doing well as a WB FO.

It means that very junior CAs are flying with new-hire FOs in 737s all around North America.

And?

filler….

You do realize getting a good contract is an “agenda.”

That's what got us in this problem to begin with. Extensions and LOA's do not fix the problem but rather kick the can down the road. After an extended period of time of not fixing the glaring issues the tasks of repairing our contract becomes insurmountable. The company will bemoan that our ask is too great and insist we accept a lesser offer. Sound familiar?

Expectation for Tuesday’s TownHall with SK? More canned c-suite answers of promised contract and ALPA blame? Probably.

NO ONE (except union leadership) should be tuning in to these propaganda shows. Imachine the message it would send if no one logged in to listen?!!

Honestly I don’t know why the union hasn’t sent out a comm to the pilot group strongly discouraging this???

The update last week fails my test when it comes to reserve improvements. Delta got some wonderful things in their CBA and we should be striving for them and more.

Who actually goes/listens to these town hall events?!? Not gonna waste my time and listen to the same ole dog and pony show.

What makes you think we're not striving for those things?

I am not asking because I disagree. I am asking because I would very much be interested in knowing what rules Delta has that we are not asking for in our list.

So . . .

What are the "wonderful things" in the Delta CBA we should ask for?

SK.will say the offer on the table is industry leading and ALPA isn’t willing to negotiate so mediation is the likely outcome followed by comments on recession outlook and more guppys.

there will be no mediation
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Agreed, the company can't afford to wait any more than we can imo. But it sure does sound scary 🥴😒

I think they are basically all listed in the open items already

I think Delta also has some sort of clause for being released from your remaining RSV days once you reach guarantee. Other carriers have similar restrictions. Back in my regional days, once you went over guarantee, you were retroactively paid min daily credit for every unused RSV day. (And we even thought that was a rip-off because we shouldn’t have had to break guarantee to get paid that way!) Sometimes breaking guarantee by one minute could mean an extra 20+ hours of pay. Breaking guarantee at UAL is comparatively useless. Straight pay for hours flown & no extra days off.

Delta is average line value plus 15. Once you’re over that you are released. Though you often have to call and tell them you are “full.” It’s not automatic.

If you have 1 minute left, you are still useable as they can schedule you above ALV+15. It’s a catch most pilots miss over here.

Not quite: Once you hit the ALV you are full and have no more obligations. If you are one minute short of this, they can schedule you to ALV+15

Not quite. At Delta, Reserve Guarantee is ALV-2, bounded by the range 72-80.

Further, this can be adjusted down on a pro-rated basis for things like Vacation, a personal drop, ALPA work, CQ, etc. If you complete a trip which exceeds YOUR Reserve guarantee, you "have no further obligation to the company". You do not need to be marked "Full". You can simply ignore any phone calls until the next bid period if you desire. One example is a week of vacation is now worth 28:00, so if the Reserve Guarantee was originally 72, YOUR reserve guarantee would be 44 hours, which is why a lot of pilots bid reserve in a vacation month.

However, as accurately stated, if you finish a trip with even 0:01 of YOUR reserve guarantee left, they can give you a trip up to ALV+15, which can easily be a 3-day trip, or even more. That vacation month would have 43 hours until that "cap"... However, said trip may not extend into any days off. (We call them "X-days"). So if you only had 2 days of "long call" remaining, they could only give you a 2-day trip.

One big loophole closed in our new contract is that Trips which cross from a Reserve month to a Line month are now always a proffer. They used to be able to give you a trip which took you into days off in a line month with no consequence. Total BS, but no more.

That's a small but great win. Unfortunately UAL current book has this same issue (only protection is if it takes you below min days off). I've always found it strange that we value being a line holder as so holy, yet allow CS to blow up your first week of the month if you have so much as one day of reserve availability at the end of the prior month. Enjoy this unproductive 4 day as a parting gift!!

You need to read the reserve section of the contract. Your way off. About 15 hours off give or take.

Not a reserve guy. I was way off. Sorry for bad info. I’ll go back to my corner.

A lot of "What it's not" regarding the full on reserve at Delta. Is the following the real Delta "No shizer" on what should now be the industry standard/UAL ask?

Anyone who goes to that needs to pay attention: We, as line pilots should have ZERO attendance at these scripted propaganda dog and pony shows.

This! Submit your question and move along

Is there any precedent where advising against attending these types of meetings has been considered disruption of the status quo? I’m honestly wondering why the union isn’t making that admonition. It really kills our “Contract First United Next” ethos when we fill a room full of people wanting to hear about SK’s plans for the airline during stalled negotiations. If talk is cheap & our time is valuable, why are freely giving it up to listen to a corporate sales job?

I think fill the room in uniform, a la picket, and all stand with their backs turned would send a better message. That's my input for a union grass roots effort.

It would be a disruption of status quo for me to attend electronically or in person. The only time I “attend” one of these dog and pony shows is when I’m forced to.

Handing out biz cards, making rambling PA’s in the first class cabin or at the gate, or various other PPD nonsense as well as attendance at these CPO propaganda meetings has ZERO impact on status quo wrt negotiations. The only thing analyzed in that context are things that could financially harm the company. All this “fluff” is a barometer the company uses to gauge our level of buy in to Kirby’s crap. Doing these things sends a clear message, as does NOT doing them.

Changing behavior towards passengers is toxic.

IF and I repeat IF I was to *feel* less inclined to go above and beyond…

IF…

I think I simply hold most of my flights extra five minutes to make sure everyone have a chance to get on board, and then fly fast to make up the difference.

D00 suffers, A14 remains intact. Caring is the first tenant of our corporate culture after all

Im not talking about toxic. I’m talking about not dancing like a circus chimp as Kirby would have us do. Be polite to all you come into contact with, but save the PPD BS for now. There’s a huge gulf between toxic and all the extras we’re asked to do.

Honestly, I would encourage people to only ever do what they feel comfortable with, even in the best of times. If it’s not sincere, I think most passengers can sense that. I personally like looking out for my passengers… It gives me more of a sense of purpose coming to work. Management come and go, but the people who pay my bills often remain the same for decades and I hope to show thanks that they are the reason I get to make good money flying airplanes

Caring is second, actually….and it’s “tenet”

I wish this were true…I honestly don’t know if it is. Serious question, But why can’t the company afford to wait? Kirby the Cross Dressing Weasel has nothing to lose. Why add an enormous cost to your bottom line unless you have no choice?

I really don’t think Kirby (the Cross Dressing Weasel) cares about pilot morale, etc. All he cares about is the bottom line and right now he/she/they is winning.

Mitch… seriously, grow up.

Mitch, listen to Chuck D. There is no need for the name calling. You must stay strong to fight the good fight. This type of childish behavior is what they want to see.

Like Saddam Hussein once said, "only the resolute people shall be victorious."