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Old 04-17-2023 | 12:12 PM
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Originally Posted by hummingbear
I think Delta also has some sort of clause for being released from your remaining RSV days once you reach guarantee. Other carriers have similar restrictions. Back in my regional days, once you went over guarantee, you were retroactively paid min daily credit for every unused RSV day. (And we even thought that was a rip-off because we shouldn’t have had to break guarantee to get paid that way!) Sometimes breaking guarantee by one minute could mean an extra 20+ hours of pay. Breaking guarantee at UAL is comparatively useless. Straight pay for hours flown & no extra days off.
Delta is average line value plus 15. Once you’re over that you are released. Though you often have to call and tell them you are “full.” It’s not automatic.

If you have 1 minute left, you are still useable as they can schedule you above ALV+15. It’s a catch most pilots miss over here.
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Old 04-17-2023 | 01:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Jaww
Delta is average line value plus 15. Once you’re over that you are released. Though you often have to call and tell them you are “full.” It’s not automatic.

If you have 1 minute left, you are still useable as they can schedule you above ALV+15. It’s a catch most pilots miss over here.
Not quite: Once you hit the ALV you are full and have no more obligations. If you are one minute short of this, they can schedule you to ALV+15
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Old 04-17-2023 | 03:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Jaxs170
Not quite: Once you hit the ALV you are full and have no more obligations. If you are one minute short of this, they can schedule you to ALV+15
Not quite. At Delta, Reserve Guarantee is ALV-2, bounded by the range 72-80.

Further, this can be adjusted down on a pro-rated basis for things like Vacation, a personal drop, ALPA work, CQ, etc. If you complete a trip which exceeds YOUR Reserve guarantee, you "have no further obligation to the company". You do not need to be marked "Full". You can simply ignore any phone calls until the next bid period if you desire. One example is a week of vacation is now worth 28:00, so if the Reserve Guarantee was originally 72, YOUR reserve guarantee would be 44 hours, which is why a lot of pilots bid reserve in a vacation month.

However, as accurately stated, if you finish a trip with even 0:01 of YOUR reserve guarantee left, they can give you a trip up to ALV+15, which can easily be a 3-day trip, or even more. That vacation month would have 43 hours until that "cap"... However, said trip may not extend into any days off. (We call them "X-days"). So if you only had 2 days of "long call" remaining, they could only give you a 2-day trip.

One big loophole closed in our new contract is that Trips which cross from a Reserve month to a Line month are now always a proffer. They used to be able to give you a trip which took you into days off in a line month with no consequence. Total BS, but no more.

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Old 04-17-2023 | 09:15 PM
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Originally Posted by FangsF15
One big loophole closed in our new contract is that Trips which cross from a Reserve month to a Line month are now always a proffer. They used to be able to give you a trip which took you into days off in a line month with no consequence. Total BS, but no more.
That's a small but great win. Unfortunately UAL current book has this same issue (only protection is if it takes you below min days off). I've always found it strange that we value being a line holder as so holy, yet allow CS to blow up your first week of the month if you have so much as one day of reserve availability at the end of the prior month. Enjoy this unproductive 4 day as a parting gift!!
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Old 04-18-2023 | 03:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Jaww
Delta is average line value plus 15. Once you’re over that you are released. Though you often have to call and tell them you are “full.” It’s not automatic.

If you have 1 minute left, you are still useable as they can schedule you above ALV+15. It’s a catch most pilots miss over here.
You need to read the reserve section of the contract. Your way off. About 15 hours off give or take.

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Old 04-18-2023 | 04:54 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
You need to read the reserve section of the contract. Your way off. About 15 hours off give or take.
Not a reserve guy. I was way off. Sorry for bad info. I’ll go back to my corner.
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Old 04-18-2023 | 05:28 AM
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A lot of "What it's not" regarding the full on reserve at Delta. Is the following the real Delta "No shizer" on what should now be the industry standard/UAL ask?



Originally Posted by FangsF15
Not quite. At Delta, Reserve Guarantee is ALV-2, bounded by the range 72-80.

Further, this can be adjusted down on a pro-rated basis for things like Vacation, a personal drop, ALPA work, CQ, etc. If you complete a trip which exceeds YOUR Reserve guarantee, you "have no further obligation to the company". You do not need to be marked "Full". You can simply ignore any phone calls until the next bid period if you desire. One example is a week of vacation is now worth 28:00, so if the Reserve Guarantee was originally 72, YOUR reserve guarantee would be 44 hours, which is why a lot of pilots bid reserve in a vacation month.

However, as accurately stated, if you finish a trip with even 0:01 of YOUR reserve guarantee left, they can give you a trip up to ALV+15, which can easily be a 3-day trip, or even more. That vacation month would have 43 hours until that "cap"... However, said trip may not extend into any days off. (We call them "X-days"). So if you only had 2 days of "long call" remaining, they could only give you a 2-day trip.

One big loophole closed in our new contract is that Trips which cross from a Reserve month to a Line month are now always a proffer. They used to be able to give you a trip which took you into days off in a line month with no consequence. Total BS, but no more.
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Old 04-18-2023 | 06:02 AM
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Originally Posted by andydwyer
Anyone who goes to that, please post what was said.
Anyone who goes to that needs to pay attention: We, as line pilots should have ZERO attendance at these scripted propaganda dog and pony shows.
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Old 04-18-2023 | 06:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Guppydriver95
Anyone who goes to that needs to pay attention: We, as line pilots should have ZERO attendance at these scripted propaganda dog and pony shows.
This! Submit your question and move along
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Old 04-18-2023 | 07:22 AM
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Is there any precedent where advising against attending these types of meetings has been considered disruption of the status quo? I’m honestly wondering why the union isn’t making that admonition. It really kills our “Contract First United Next” ethos when we fill a room full of people wanting to hear about SK’s plans for the airline during stalled negotiations. If talk is cheap & our time is valuable, why are freely giving it up to listen to a corporate sales job?
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