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Old 07-23-2023 | 07:14 AM
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Originally Posted by 89Pistons
Major airline pilot contracts of the past had tighter line construction constraints, didn't have PBS, and had vacation override. We used to have a very tight window on monthly credit. I believe it was only 5 to 10 hours difference between the floor and the ceiling. On all fleets. Not the 20 hour range we have now. The lines used to be more homogenous and we had a credit cap (I believe 85 credit hours) where hours would be banked and overages would be paid in future months. Nobody got a check for 100 credit hours in a month. So rates were more of a factor back in the day and there was more incentive to continue to move up than to camp out.
This is correct. Pilots can do math. 120
hours at $230 per hour is greater than 90 hours at $300 per hour. Also doing math, the 120 hours is about the same days off as the 90 hours, but I get to pick where the days off go for the 120 hour month. That’s my situation.
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Old 07-23-2023 | 07:31 AM
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Current book and previous contracts were written by 12 year first officers. The concept of SKIPPING first upgrade opportunity is pretty well unprecidented.
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Old 07-23-2023 | 07:56 AM
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Originally Posted by FrancisSawyer
When I worked at the pentagon, new one-star generals would show up and implement their GOBIs (general officer bright ideas). Fortunately, as most were dumb, they’d stop trying to make them work.

A little over a year ago, Carlson left, and SK brought in (I think) a former AA guy to run crew manning. He immediately ended PPU, raised the g lines, put more people on reserve, and drove the current reassignment GOBI to keep things running. And now no one wants to be a CA. Hmmmm…coincidence?

If SK wants to fix this, he needs to reevaluate this hire…in my humble opinion.
SK just fixed it in this AIP. He can now force new hires into the left seat. That’s by far the biggest leverage we gave away in this AIP. I hope we got proportionate value in return.
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Old 07-23-2023 | 08:02 AM
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Originally Posted by KSwift76
I certainly understand that. I just chuckle a bit when I listen to a 25 yr. old new hire FO complain about how bad it is here and how much better the work rules were at Endevskywenvoy. What a time to be an airline pilot.

When I tell my wife about how it is now she just shakes her head and says"...I can't imagine...!"
There is a common misperception that the typical new hire is an entitled 25-year-old. The reality is the average new hire is 40 and has been qualified to be a 121 captain for over 10 years.
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Old 07-23-2023 | 09:50 AM
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Originally Posted by CQKSNT
There is a common misperception that the typical new hire is an entitled 25-year-old. The reality is the average new hire is 40 and has been qualified to be a 121 captain for over 10 years.
Average isn’t really a useful metric here.

I don’t know about their attitudes… but a 25yo new hire is no longer exceptional or even unusual.

That is a notable change from three years ago.
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Old 07-23-2023 | 09:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Brickfire
Average isn’t really a useful metric here.

I don’t know about their attitudes… but a 25yo new hire is no longer exceptional or even unusual.

That is a notable change from three years ago.

They’re still pretty unusual. The under 25 and under crowd accounts for less than 3% of those hired in the past year. While that’s more than it had been in the past, it still happened pre-COVID.
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Old 07-23-2023 | 09:59 AM
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Originally Posted by CQKSNT
There is a common misperception that the typical new hire is an entitled 25-year-old. The reality is the average new hire is 40 and has been qualified to be a 121 captain for over 10 years.
I’d say the median is closer to 32 with 3yrs 121 experience
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Old 07-23-2023 | 10:31 AM
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Originally Posted by TimetoClimb
I’d say the median is closer to 32 with 3yrs 121 experience
It’s actually about 36 1/2. Don’t know about the 121 experience, but that’s not all that relevant as we have always hired people without that.
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