[QUOTE=AntiCompanyMan;3700974]I personally know/knew 5 guys now, all under the age of 55 that have passed away since the vaccine mandate (that have since been recinded) and every single one of them is from a combination of heart/blood clot issues. Is that psycho-somatic?

[QUOTE=Grumble;3701020]Good thing the new TA language solves the mandates by the company as a condition of employment… now WE/YOU get to decide if you want to comply with any requirements… might take a financial hit but they won’t be holding a needle to your arm.

I’m not taking any more shots voluntarily because I don’t think they work… but if they are deemed a requirement for employment (not unilaterally by company) I’ll decide whether to comply or not with facts available at the time.

[QUOTE=AntiCompanyMan;3700974]For whatever reason the symptoms present themselves to an individual is irrelevant, It doesn't make them any less real.

You realize it could be psychosomatic right? I believe the definition is causing or making worse physical problems due to mental state.

That aside, suggesting that these tragic events were caused directly by the vaccine is an extraordinary claim. Maybe? Sure. But also probably not.

[QUOTE=worstpilotever;3700990][QUOTE=Bestglide;3700819]
well I did fly the short bus for awhile, so yeah, im pretty special.

I believe you can have side effects, I asked you to tell us what they are. you didnt. makes think you dont really have side effects, you are just outraged at having to do something you didnt want to do. did you have side effects from your polio vaccine? measles vaccine?[/QUOTE

Honestly IDGAS what you think and I don't owe you any explanation as that's between myself and my Dr.
you are comparing apples to oranges with time tested and PROVEN vaccines (which I don't think any rational person has a problem with) Covid vaccines, were put out under emergency use for a reason, and that's why myself and others had/have a problem with it. maybe the technology is cutting edge but there's definitely more and more side effects being reported every day. I do believe they helped a bit with older folks and people with copd, but many doctors I've spoken with don't think they should have been used with younger and healthier folks. Especially children. To answer one of your questions I do think those folks on the vids are on the fringe and I won't base my vote on that. yes I have a few issues wIth the contract, but compared to what we were offered with the tumi turd its light years ahead. I also feel that if mandates come back in the future hopefully we can make our own decisions if not then certain choices will have to be made.
I can respect your opinion but I don't believe you have the same capacity to be objective with anyone that differs from your world view. Should I say that you get your talking points from Rachel Maddow....gmafb...

[QUOTE=ugleeual;3701029]Unfortunately for your feelings the data say other wise.

[QUOTE=Grumble;3701020]It’s an almost absolutely certainty that your friends had preexisting conditions that caused their demise. Vaccine injury is so low that it’s hard to distinguish from what caused someones demise because the vast majority of people already fall into an unhealthy category.

[QUOTE=AirportJunkie;3701131]How can you be so sure when everyday more and more cases are coming forward? Absolute certainty? That’s a pretty bold statement considering you know nothing about those folks or their circumstances. To me it’s just blind faith in this vaccine that can’t have ANY negative effects in your view.
I believe the powers to be are just calling this a “coincidence”. Nothing to see here just pre existing conditions rite?

[QUOTE=Bestglide;3701218]good thing UAL can’t force you to take anymore shots… now you make the decision after weighing the pro/con of whatever shot they (FAA/countries) want to mandate. You might not be pay protected for flying 787 to Asia… but you could fly an Airbus domestically and never have to worry about another country mandating you get an immunization you deem unsafe. YOU make the ultimate decision and live with whatever consequences are tied to it.

[QUOTE=ugleeual;3701223]I’m looking forward to the lawsuits from pilots demanding 787 pay to take an Airbus to BUF because their freedoms and independent scientific research prevent them from taking a vaccine.

the fact of this thread is the website is full of kooks who should be laughed at, and then forgotten about when the TA passes.