SWA $12B
12-31-2023 | 12:22 PM
#31
Slam-Clicka
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The fact that UAL will no longer be the top paying B737 operator thanks to this SWA deal is nothing short of embarrassing. All the United Next talk and greatest airline ever doesn't ring true when pilots are paid 2nd or 3rd best, especially to a LCC like SWA. Truly embarrassing. Hard to wrap my head around it!
12-31-2023 | 01:19 PM
#32
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From: 18%er but I’ll enforce UPA23 to the last period.
The fact that UAL will no longer be the top paying B737 operator thanks to this SWA deal is nothing short of embarrassing. All the United Next talk and greatest airline ever doesn't ring true when pilots are paid 2nd or 3rd best, especially to a LCC like SWA. Truly embarrassing. Hard to wrap my head around it!
01-02-2024 | 06:48 AM
#33
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Joined: Jul 2008
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The fact that UAL will no longer be the top paying B737 operator thanks to this SWA deal is nothing short of embarrassing. All the United Next talk and greatest airline ever doesn't ring true when pilots are paid 2nd or 3rd best, especially to a LCC like SWA. Truly embarrassing. Hard to wrap my head around it!
01-02-2024 | 07:33 AM
#34
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From: 320 Captain
It is. It’s almost a given that the 737 max is going to pay 321neo rates at Delta. For some reason, United wrapped the max pay in with the next gen pay. You guys did a pretty poor job of negotiations. The one thing you did do right is take advantage of Delta’s snap-up. Not to be outdone, American was just as bad.
Small NB =A319/320, 737-700/-800/Max8
Medium NB = 737-900/Max9/Max10
Large NB = A321NEO/XLR, 757-200/300
A pretty realistic grouping with some quibbling about the max 10 (if it ever shows up). But hard to justify a Max 8 paying the same as a 321Neo if going by the traditional decision 83 criteria. Something that we had really gotten away from. Still not ideal, but better then what it was.
And negotiations are all about tradeoffs. A tradeoff in one section for more in another. Bringing up the small NB pay to within a $1.50 of the medium NB rates is a win
01-02-2024 | 06:06 PM
#35
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It is. It’s almost a given that the 737 max is going to pay 321neo rates at Delta. For some reason, United wrapped the max pay in with the next gen pay. You guys did a pretty poor job of negotiations. The one thing you did do right is take advantage of Delta’s snap-up. Not to be outdone, American was just as bad.
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