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Buck Rogers 03-11-2025 01:35 AM


Originally Posted by hummingbear (Post 3891078)
It’s true management holds more cards but I’d counter that the president is a “can do little good but great harm” type of player. Wait until he puts Tucker Carlson on the NMB & tell me he’s irrelevant.

Look, I don’t know he’s gonna be bad for us, I’m just saying the administration’s attitude toward labor gives very little indication that they have any intention of being good & I don’t see that as a reason to celebrate, even if we are saving a couple bucks on TSA salaries.

Well, Shawn Fain of the UAW doesn't seem to share your angst. Or maybe he is not a union supporter in your eyes. 400,000 active members and 580,000 retired union workers.

https://www.cnbc.com/2025/03/10/trump-uaw-auto-union-shawn-fain-tariffs.html

Maybe the answers aren't quite as black and white as you want to make them out to be?

jerryleber 03-11-2025 01:39 AM


Originally Posted by Buck Rogers (Post 3891159)
Where has the addition of NATO members led us?

Us? Who do you mean by 'us'? That leaves the people of Czechia, Hungary, Poland, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Bulgaria, Romania, Slovakia, Slovenia, Albania, Croatia, Montenegro and Noth Macedonia far better off than they were. It allowed them to able to determine for themselves what kind of political leadership they want. It left Europe with relative stability and peacefor over seventy years.


Originally Posted by Buck Rogers (Post 3891159)
If Russia’s goal was, in fact, to ensure a buffer between NATO and Russia, does the Finnish addition to NATO defeat the goal?

No, because as your article pointed out Estonia and Latvia joined NATO over 20 years ago and they both border Russia not to mention Poland and Lithuania which both border Kaliningrad.


Originally Posted by TechTanker (Post 3891158)
Thank you for making my point

Sorry, but you continue to miss the point entirely.

Buck Rogers 03-11-2025 01:48 AM


Originally Posted by jerryleber (Post 3891198)
Us? Who do you mean by 'us'? That leaves the people of Czechia, Hungary, Poland, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Bulgaria, Romania, Slovakia, Slovenia, Albania, Croatia, Montenegro and Noth Macedonia far better off than they were. It allowed them to able to determine for themselves what kind of political leadership they want. It left Europe with relative stability and peacefor over seventy years.

No, because as your article pointed out Estonia and Latvia joined NATO over 20 years ago and they both border Russia not to mention Poland and Lithuania which both border Kaliningrad.

Dude, you realize the 2 questions you answered were not my questions don't you? They were musing from an article from University of Notre Dame International Security Center.

I took the questions as "thought provoking topics" worthy of a discussion because the answer maybe isn't as black and white as some(apparently you) want to make it out to be.

Q. Do you know what a rhetorical question is?
A. Yes, a question that someone with TDS answers "proving" orange man bad.

Most reasoble people understand rhetorical questions(like the ones in the article) aren't meant to be answered

You are awarded 1 gold star for extra effort and also get 1 demerit for lack of social awareness that forum musing of grey area topics probably can't be answerd in black/white answers.

jerryleber 03-11-2025 01:56 AM


Originally Posted by Buck Rogers (Post 3891201)
I took the questions as "thought provoking topics" worthy of a discussion

And so did I, so I discussed them pointing out how the 'buffer' argument was inane given Estonia and Latvia border Russia and joined NATO over twenty years ago.

Buck Rogers 03-11-2025 02:41 AM


Originally Posted by jerryleber (Post 3891203)
And so did I, so I discussed them pointing out how the 'buffer' argument was inane given Estonia and Latvia border Russia and joined NATO over twenty years ago.

https://americanliterature.com/author/james-baldwin/short-story/the-blind-men-and-the-elephant/

Maybe you are touching the tail or the trunk but think you see the whole picture.

Maybe the expansion of NATO cumulatively over 75 years from 12 to 32 nations( more than half after 1990) and 2 countries in 2023/2024(Finland, Sweden) is putting pressure or causing Russia to reassess geoplitical threats.

I in no way support Russia's invasion of Ukraine, but since possession is 9/10 of the law, I'm waiting on viable solutions from the left or "Ukraine supporters till the bitter end no matter the costs(people/money)". I see alot of "Trump bad" but haven't seen 1 solution that would be palatable to Russia.

I think Trump's assessment of "Ukraine doesn't hold the cards" is closer to reality than anything put out by the left(which I haven't seen or a solution hasn't been proffered)

Easy to criticize but hard to fix. Before a problem can be fixed, it must first be identified.

hummingbear 03-11-2025 04:03 AM


Originally Posted by Buck Rogers (Post 3891199)
Well, Shawn Fain of the UAW doesn't seem to share your angst. Or maybe he is not a union supporter in your eyes. 400,000 active members and 580,000 retired union workers.

https://www.cnbc.com/2025/03/10/trump-uaw-auto-union-shawn-fain-tariffs.html

Maybe the answers aren't quite as black and white as you want to make them out to be?

Fain is for the tariffs, which is a bit more nuanced a matter than the subject of this thread- the union busting at the TSA. To my knowledge he hasn’t celebrated that move.

jerryleber 03-11-2025 05:11 AM


Originally Posted by Buck Rogers (Post 3891211)
Maybe the expansion of NATO...causing Russia to reassess geoplitical threats.

I in no way support Russia's invasion of Ukraine... but haven't seen 1 solution that would be palatable to Russia.

Of course you don't. How do those new NATO countries threaten the country with more nuclear weapons than any other country on earth?

MergingTargets 03-11-2025 05:20 AM


Originally Posted by Otie (Post 3890706)
my f.o. last month was a Marxist.
God was he miserable.

You, on the other hand, sound like a delightful 4-day!

joepilot50 03-11-2025 06:06 AM


Originally Posted by Buck Rogers (Post 3891211)
https://americanliterature.com/author/james-baldwin/short-story/the-blind-men-and-the-elephant/

Maybe you are touching the tail or the trunk but think you see the whole picture.

Maybe the expansion of NATO cumulatively over 75 years from 12 to 32 nations( more than half after 1990) and 2 countries in 2023/2024(Finland, Sweden) is putting pressure or causing Russia to reassess geoplitical threats.

I in no way support Russia's invasion of Ukraine, but since possession is 9/10 of the law, I'm waiting on viable solutions from the left or "Ukraine supporters till the bitter end no matter the costs(people/money)". I see alot of "Trump bad" but haven't seen 1 solution that would be palatable to Russia.

I think Trump's assessment of "Ukraine doesn't hold the cards" is closer to reality than anything put out by the left(which I haven't seen or a solution hasn't been proffered)

Easy to criticize but hard to fix. Before a problem can be fixed, it must first be identified.

If the US was invaded, would you be fight fight fight or just let the invaders keep the occupied states? And you realize most of the money is staying in the US? The weapons we are/were given to Ukraine were older weapons you were paying to store, maintain, and eventually decomission and scrap and are being valued at full replacement cost vs valued as used military equipment that they are. So we are modernizing our own military while off loading the costs of getting rid of older equipment. All while giving an invaded country and ally means to defending themselves.

And use the invaders talking points to justify the surrender?

Do you think the US should have resumed supplying Japan oil after Pearl Harbor?

Solution is easy. Russia leaves Ukraine and respects borders of pre-2022 invasion, Ukraine gives up trying to reclaim Crimea, changes constitution to remove NATO mandate, and western allies promise to keep on protecting Ukraine, but no weapons outside of those given to Ukraine for their military to be stationed in Ukraine. Should be palatable to Russia if NATO expansion was their concern and nuclear missiles stationed in Ukraine.

And their invasion is what led to the latest expansion with Finland/Sweden. Russia is worried about a defensive pact invading Russia, but it is their own actions that is driving the eastern European/former USSR countries to wanting to join NATO in the first place. They don't want to get invaded by Russia. And so far ones fears is pure paranoia and the other fear is closer to reality thanks to Georgia and Ukraine.

Buck Rogers 03-11-2025 06:14 AM


Originally Posted by jerryleber (Post 3891238)
Of course you don't. How do those new NATO countries threaten the country with more nuclear weapons than any other country on earth?

So I guess Russsian/Chinese/Iranian/N korea backed Cuban based missiles would be ok with you? Not any difference exept the " eye of the beholder". Seems as if the US has been down that path before.

https://www.visualcapitalist.com/global-nuclear-warhead-stockpiles-1945-2024/


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