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khergan 03-13-2025 02:19 PM


Originally Posted by hamsandwich (Post 3892564)
Did you read the article? The exemption isn’t for EICAS.

These guys are so hungry to **** on Boeing that they can't be bothered to spend 30s to read the article they linked.

luv757 03-13-2025 02:39 PM


Originally Posted by Iregretnothing (Post 3892494)
I made north of $400,000 on the guppy last year while many people were struggling to buy eggs. I’ll fly it all day long. The issue of not having EICAS is vastly overblown in my opinion.

I agree (on the lack of EICAS). 12 years on it and I never recall having an issue with determining which checklist I had to run if a problem popped up. Probably due to the training course I was required to attend prior to flying it.

89Pistons 03-13-2025 02:45 PM


Originally Posted by khergan (Post 3892632)
These guys are so hungry to **** on Boeing that they can't be bothered to spend 30s to read the article they linked.

Hungry? Don't take it so personally. I fly Boeings and have been through 737 school on four different occasions with two different airlines. I fly a Boeing that is more ancient in some ways than the 737s we fly now. I was not aware that Boeing got a reprieve on having to put EICAS on the Max7 and 10. Ham corrected me. Move on.

Hedley 03-13-2025 04:13 PM


Originally Posted by fanaticalflyer (Post 3892451)
There it is. Mr Tough-Guy, A Manly-man’s pilot! Give me a break. Incredible hearing anyone trying to defend the POS guppy. It’s the worst ergonomically designed aircraft in existence today.

Holy crap dude, I assumed the smiley face would imply a joke.

Also, after having flown multiple aircraft with and without EICAS, I don't see what the big deal is. If you have a generator fail on a plane with EICAS you get a tone, a message, and then you run the GEN BUS 1 checklist. In a 737 you get a bright orange light, the 6 pack says ELEC, and after looking up to see the source off light illuminated, you simply run the source off checklist. Neither system is remotely unsafe or difficult to comprehend. What are we going to complain about next? Having to trim the aircraft due to airspeed changes when hand flying?

JackReacher 03-13-2025 06:30 PM


Originally Posted by Hedley (Post 3892690)
Holy crap dude, I assumed the smiley face would imply a joke.

Also, after having flown multiple aircraft with and without EICAS, I don't see what the big deal is. If you have a generator fail on a plane with EICAS you get a tone, a message, and then you run the GEN BUS 1 checklist. In a 737 you get a bright orange light, the 6 pack says ELEC, and after looking up to see the source off light illuminated, you simply run the source off checklist. Neither system is remotely unsafe or difficult to comprehend. What are we going to complain about next? Having to trim the aircraft due to airspeed changes when hand flying?

Thats like saying the AM radio in your fathers VW Beetle is the same as the Burmester sound system in your AMG because they both play music. Cmon man, get serious.

Chuck D 03-13-2025 07:19 PM


Originally Posted by Hedley (Post 3892690)
Holy crap dude, I assumed the smiley face would imply a joke.

Also, after having flown multiple aircraft with and without EICAS, I don't see what the big deal is. If you have a generator fail on a plane with EICAS you get a tone, a message, and then you run the GEN BUS 1 checklist. In a 737 you get a bright orange light, the 6 pack says ELEC, and after looking up to see the source off light illuminated, you simply run the source off checklist. Neither system is remotely unsafe or difficult to comprehend. What are we going to complain about next? Having to trim the aircraft due to airspeed changes when hand flying?

I'm not gonna run through them here but between the reliability of the physical lights themselves to the way you have to find the problem and determine the causal factor, to the risk of missing multiple simultaneous problems, there are an insane number of reasons any basics EICAS system makes more sense than continuing to build new aircraft for the next few decades with a 1960s master recall and press to reset process the 737 has. It would be like mass producing new Chevy Tahoes without shoulder harnesses and airbags. Does everyone die? No. Is it seriously dumb and shortsighted. Yep.

ThumbsUp 03-13-2025 07:23 PM


Originally Posted by Hedley (Post 3892690)
Holy crap dude, I assumed the smiley face would imply a joke.

Also, after having flown multiple aircraft with and without EICAS, I don't see what the big deal is. If you have a generator fail on a plane with EICAS you get a tone, a message, and then you run the GEN BUS 1 checklist. In a 737 you get a bright orange light, the 6 pack says ELEC, and after looking up to see the source off light illuminated, you simply run the source off checklist. Neither system is remotely unsafe or difficult to comprehend. What are we going to complain about next? Having to trim the aircraft due to airspeed changes when hand flying?

What’s trim?

Hedley 03-14-2025 05:06 AM


Originally Posted by Chuck D (Post 3892742)
I'm not gonna run through them here but between the reliability of the physical lights themselves to the way you have to find the problem and determine the causal factor, to the risk of missing multiple simultaneous problems, there are an insane number of reasons any basics EICAS system makes more sense than continuing to build new aircraft for the next few decades with a 1960s master recall and press to reset process the 737 has. It would be like mass producing new Chevy Tahoes without shoulder harnesses and airbags. Does everyone die? No. Is it seriously dumb and shortsighted. Yep.

Although outdated, I still say that it's safe and not difficult to understand. It's obviously not as easy as EICAS, but still not a big deal. There are definitely nicer airplanes out there, but some people around here equate flying the 737 to digging ditches in the heat of summer. It makes the company money and they pay us a lot of money to do a job....... most of the complaining around here just sounds like first world problems. I guess with the exception of money and schedule, I just don't care. What ever the bean counters purchase that best meets those goals, I'll bid it.

JackReacher 03-14-2025 08:11 AM


Originally Posted by Hedley (Post 3892818)
Although outdated, I still say that it's safe and not difficult to understand. It's obviously not as easy as EICAS, but still not a big deal. There are definitely nicer airplanes out there, but some people around here equate flying the 737 to digging ditches in the heat of summer. It makes the company money and they pay us a lot of money to do a job....... most of the complaining around here just sounds like first world problems. I guess with the exception of money and schedule, I just don't care. What ever the bean counters purchase that best meets those goals, I'll bid it.

Hmmm, became a problem in the third world a few years back 🤔🤔🤔

SoFloFlyer 03-14-2025 08:28 AM


Originally Posted by JackReacher (Post 3892902)
Hmmm, became a problem in the third world a few years back 🤔🤔🤔

3rd world pilots and pax didn’t die because the max didn’t have EICAS. GMAFB


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