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Originally Posted by tupues (Post 3909240)

So it’s not his decision but only a matter of how many seats there are in total including the JS

The jumpseat riding can choose to take the jumpseat, with Captain's approval, instead of a less desirable cabin seat. He was telling you that he was going to do what he could to ensure that the jumpseat stayed open for you.

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So should I be doing the same when I list in the future?

You, as an OAL jumpseater, only has one listing. It puts you at the bottom of the standby list for both the jumpseat and for a cabin seat. If a cabin seat is available, it will be offered to you.

The issue is that when there are more non-revs than seats, a senior UA pilot has the choice of taking the jumpseat, and allowing another cabin seat for a non-rev, or taking the jumpseat, and allowing a lower-priority jumpseater to get on who wouldn't have cleared for a cabin seat. There is no policy as to which seat he should choose.

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Originally Posted by tupues (Post 3909374)

“I know there are plenty of seats on this plane and I’m double listed, top of the list and will get a seat for sure, so let me offer this beggar from another airline a seat and stand here as a hero”
the only thing missing was him videoing himself 😂

Stop digging. You are already in a hole over your head due to your ignorance. (In case you're ESL, ignorance is not derogatory). It just means ask POLITE questions and try to understand as opposed to arguing from a position of inferior knowledge. JMHO

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Originally Posted by tupues (Post 3909211)

Recently I (not a UA employee) was commuting with UA. As I was waiting for a seat, I was approached by a young pilot (one of them that grows a mustache to look older) who was there waiting along with his GF. He stated that I could have the JS and that he had been advised be the agent that he would be getting a seat in the cabin. This left me confused. Did the guy own the jumpseat i.e. does UA have some sort of reservation system. I understand that if the cabin is full he would get the JS first, but that he offered it to me as though it was his personal seat left me bewildered.

If its full its full, and surely that dude wouldn't have given up his JS offering it to me and I wouldn't have gotten on. It almost seemed as though I should be eternally grateful for the service he did to me... perhaps someone here can enlighten me on his train of thought...

ITT: United pilot does bro a solid and gets blasted online by some moron that doesn't understand the deal because he's insecure about his own career.

You can see it written all over his post he felt the guy was arrogant because he was at United. If he was offering the Jumpseat to you, he was likely just trying to help you out.

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Originally Posted by tupues (Post 3909374)

He clearly didn't know you well enough to factor your personality into his choice or he would have taken the JS and left you behind.

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Originally Posted by JFS 3 (Post 3909416)

He clearly didn't know you well enough to factor your personality into his choice or he would have taken the JS and left you behind.

I would have gotten a seat regardless. There was so much space left in the end that I could pick if I wanted a window or an aisle...

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Originally Posted by Buck Rogers (Post 3909402)

Im not sure I get all the abbreviations. must be a generational thing. Are you sporting a stash as well to look older?

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Originally Posted by tupues (Post 3909211)

He was doing you a favor letting you know you would get on. Many times there are other options and timing is important. Sounds like a conscientious and nice young pilot. I always appreciated someone giving me a update on my chances.

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Originally Posted by tupues (Post 3909419)

I would have gotten a seat regardless. There was so much space left in the end that I could pick if I wanted a window or an aisle...

He was looking out for you. It looks like he should’ve warned the captain and let you take the next flight.

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Originally Posted by YellowBanana (Post 3909452)

He was looking out for you. It looks like he should’ve warned the captain and let you take the next flight.

Snarky comments online seem to be the way many deal with issues these days. I can’t even fathom behaving like this when I was new(or ever, for that matter.) This thread has run its course, and the OP should learn from his inappropriate aspersions and move on. Try to have a little more “hat in hand” attitude next time you’re trying to get a free ride.

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Originally Posted by tupues (Post 3909372)

Maybe I’m misunderstanding this entirely. The way I’m used to you have a listing for any seat on the plane, all by seniority order. As a last resort, if the cabin is full, the jumpseat(s) get assigned, again in order of seniority (to people eligible for it). I’ve never heard of people being allowed to double list out of order etc. (and the carriers I’ve worked at are ALPA too) where I am from that’s frowned upon because you block several seats without ever actually using them.
If that’s possible at UA I can get his patronizing stance. He knew he was gonna get a seat in the back and was now offering his Jumpseat to me (even though it’s not even him deciding who gets it ultimately). Yes people can argue that he was doing me a solid, however imho it’s not the way it’s supposed to be. If you get a seat in the cabin you should take it and not mess up the system by listing for the JS only to give it to someone else at the last minute to stand there as a star.

First off, he works at UAL and can take the JS (with captain’s concurrence) with 50 open seats in the back if desired. I’ve commuted hub to hub and when there is a 777,787,or 767 nice, comfy JS available (and those planes have at least 2 and up to 4), I’m taking that over a middle in row 53, unless for some odd reason that would mean leaving behind an offline jumpseater. Plenty of room for baggage, all the coffee and leftover meals one can eat, and shoulder and legroom (sometimes even a bunk is offered) that rivals 1st class. As a 777 captain, I always welcome pilots commuting up front on domestic segments (think Hawaii) over a less comfortable coach option. This allows other non JS qualified employees or family members the opportunity to snag a seat on what is most likely a full flight. At UAL, our standby lists can be pretty long and an offline jumpseater will be at the bottom of that list so if our young mustached pilot (yes- that annoys most of us) made that offer, he was basically letting you know that based on his knowledge of the standby lists, you would be getting on the plane. He could have taken a JS leaving you to battle it out with every other standby passenger (all of which would be ahead of you on the list to take (again, with captain’s approval-which is almost always given) the more comfortable option if it was a 757 or larger.
Any of this sinking in yet? If not, maybe give another airline the opportunity to give you a free ride next time.

PS- when I’m trying to jumpseat on an offline carrier, I always appreciate when one of their pilots recognizes I’m a clueless offline jumpseater and gives me insight as to how they see the flight unfolding and what my chances are. I’m glad he recognized you as an offline jumpseater and offered you some assurance. Mustache or not.