Originally Posted by 11atsomto (Post 3917504)

So sort of…… but there is no specific “Runway Change Checklist” accomplished as a READ and DO that some carriers have in their NORMAL checklist card. In short you just have to re do the before take off checklist if you already did it once applying the Runway/Sid change procedure.


If the runway, SID, or conditions that affect takeoff performance change comply with RUNWAY/SID change PROCEDURE ( which is not really a read and do either) ……then ACCOMPLISH/ RE ACCOMPLOSH the before takeoff checklist.

Error trapping in this area could (not necessarily have to) be improved.

As a technique on the Airbus at least, many crews load the secondary, plus secondary Perf page for foreseeable runway change assignments, that way…..the runway Change procedure is accomplished by one button push as opposed to 11-15.

Originally Posted by m3113n1a1 (Post 3917477)

Do you guys not have to do a checklist when you get a runway change at United?

Originally Posted by 60av8tor (Post 3917674)

787 does. Filler

Originally Posted by JoePatroni (Post 3917686)

The 777 does also.

Originally Posted by StoneQOLdCrazy (Post 3917509)

It's priceless that the old guys on the LEPF/EPAS/whatever Age 67 page are trying to blame the FO for this incident.

Apparently, in their advanced decline, these old guys forgot the captain is ultimately responsible for making sure the FMS is properly programmed.

Originally Posted by Hotel Kilo (Post 3917758)

So why do you FOs get all pizzy when we go in and correct your errors?

Sorry United guys didn't mean to derail. Glad nothing happened other than a learning experience for all of us

Originally Posted by Hotel Kilo (Post 3917758)

So why do you FOs get all pizzy when we go in and correct your errors?

Originally Posted by 60av8tor (Post 3917796)

I’m thankful if/when a CA finds an error I made; just like they have been the few times I’ve found theirs. 99% of cockpit dynamics I’ve experienced have been this way. I’d imagine it’s a rare response based on a fragile ego. If it happens often, I’d start looking inward - maybe delivery of the message🤷‍♂️

Originally Posted by 60av8tor (Post 3917796)

I’m thankful if/when a CA finds an error I made; just like they have been the few times I’ve found theirs. 99% of cockpit dynamics I’ve experienced have been this way. I’d imagine it’s a rare response based on a fragile ego. If it happens often, I’d start looking inward - maybe delivery of the message🤷‍♂️

Originally Posted by SoFloFlyer (Post 3917803)

I’m on the same page with this. Glad we can catch each other’s mistakes. It’s why having 2 pilots is so important. Curious to see what happened and what caused the breakdown in procedures