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Turbosina 05-30-2025 03:43 PM

SFO incident today
 
Well, this isn't a good look.

Our guys were departing 1R on the Trukn, but instead of turning right, turned left...which placed them right in front of a Skywest RJ, which was departing 1L on the Stikk. 😵‍💫

https://youtu.be/lOpRf0IeGAo?si=dvb93kq78WyH0Cia

Probably be a few months before we get to read the FSI findings...

UALinIAH 05-30-2025 04:07 PM


Originally Posted by Turbosina (Post 3916226)
Well, this isn't a good look.

Our guys were departing 1R on the Trukn, but instead of turning right, turned left...which placed them right in front of a Skywest RJ, which was departing 1L on the Stikk. 😵‍💫

https://youtu.be/lOpRf0IeGAo?si=dvb93kq78WyH0Cia

Probably be a few months before we get to read the FSI findings...


The video went up today but it happened May 13th.

11atsomto 05-30-2025 04:12 PM


Originally Posted by Turbosina (Post 3916226)
Well, this isn't a good look.

Our guys were departing 1R on the Trukn, but instead of turning right, turned left...which placed them right in front of a Skywest RJ, which was departing 1L on the Stikk. 😵‍💫

https://youtu.be/lOpRf0IeGAo?si=dvb93kq78WyH0Cia

Probably be a few months before we get to read the FSI findings...

No it’s not….I however don’t know if the findings will be all that earth shattering…….seems like the had the wrong sid loaded or loaded the truckin but selected off one of the 28’s……..cause thier lateral track seems to do exactly what it would do if you loaded it off the 28’s.

What isn’t entirely clear from the audio at least is: Did the SkyWest crew get an RA?

Turbosina 05-30-2025 04:56 PM


Originally Posted by 11atsomto (Post 3916232)
No it’s not….I however don’t know if the findings will be all that earth shattering…….seems like the had the wrong sid loaded or loaded the truckin but selected off one of the 28’s……..cause thier lateral track seems to do exactly what it would do if you loaded it off the 28’s.

What isn’t entirely clear from the audio at least is: Did the SkyWest crew get an RA?

Hmmm... The Trukn off the 28s makes a right turn to head out over the bay. I'm not sure at what altitude the Bus's FMS engages LNAV after departure, nor have I ever thought about what would happen if you departed 1R with 28 in the box. I guess it might command a left turn?

At OO we had a required runway lineup callout "Heading checks" -- you verified that the box, the hdg bug, and the runway numbers in front of you all matched. It's the one callout I still do (silently) in my mind when we take the runway.

But it could have been anything -- FMS malfunction, etc etc.

I don't actually recall to what altitude the RA callouts in the CRJ and/or 175 are inhibited, after takeoff...

OOfff 05-30-2025 05:59 PM


Originally Posted by Turbosina (Post 3916247)
Hmmm... The Trukn off the 28s makes a right turn to head out over the bay. I'm not sure at what altitude the Bus's FMS engages LNAV after departure, nor have I ever thought about what would happen if you departed 1R with 28 in the box. I guess it might command a left turn?

At OO we had a required runway lineup callout "Heading checks" -- you verified that the box, the hdg bug, and the runway numbers in front of you all matched. It's the one callout I still do (silently) in my mind when we take the runway.

But it could have been anything -- FMS malfunction, etc etc.

I don't actually recall to what altitude the RA callouts in the CRJ and/or 175 are inhibited, after takeoff...

below 1000’ you shouldn’t get an ra at all.

eglplt 05-31-2025 04:49 AM


Originally Posted by Turbosina (Post 3916247)
Hmmm... The Trukn off the 28s makes a right turn to head out over the bay. I'm not sure at what altitude the Bus's FMS engages LNAV after departure, nor have I ever thought about what would happen if you departed 1R with 28 in the box. I guess it might command a left turn?

At OO we had a required runway lineup callout "Heading checks" -- you verified that the box, the hdg bug, and the runway numbers in front of you all matched. It's the one callout I still do (silently) in my mind when we take the runway.

But it could have been anything -- FMS malfunction, etc etc.

I don't actually recall to what altitude the RA callouts in the CRJ and/or 175 are inhibited, after takeoff...

We have the same thing at United, just isn’t a callout, but the FM requires it be checked.

CouldBeWorse 05-31-2025 09:51 PM


Originally Posted by eglplt (Post 3916307)
We have the same thing at United, just isn’t a callout, but the FM requires it be checked.

Isn’t a call out yet…

Longhornmaniac8 05-31-2025 09:59 PM

Wondering if maybe the MCP didn't get reset after the previous flight which presumably would've landed the 28s...it's an easy thing to miss.

On the Bus, do you depart LNAV off the ground or is it selected once airborne? Could a FD have commanded a left turn after reaching whatever minimum height HDG might engage and prior to LNAV engagement?

I don't know anything about the Airbus so if this sounds stupid, it's probably because I am.

Turbosina 05-31-2025 11:09 PM


Originally Posted by CouldBeWorse (Post 3916667)
Isn’t a call out yet…

Yup. Exactly my point...

11atsomto 06-01-2025 01:29 AM


Originally Posted by Longhornmaniac8 (Post 3916669)
Wondering if maybe the MCP didn't get reset after the previous flight

On the Bus, do you depart LNAV off the ground or is it selected once airborne? Could a FD have commanded a left turn after reaching whatever minimum height HDG might engage and prior to LNAV engagement?

I don't know anything about the Airbus so if this sounds stupid, it's probably because I am.

These are normal questions I think.
The “MCP” on the airbus…….which really is not even close to being the same thing……will default to NAV…..it’s just that all information from the previous flight would have been dumped.
At 400 ft, that's when the lateral mode will automatically switch to NAV, provided NAV was in your Flight mode annunciator (FMA) on your PFD. The thing is you’d have to deliberately manipulate your “MCP” prior to takeoff for it to switch to HDG on its own………do this only if Tower assigns a heading in leu of your RNAV sid.

the lateral track of bus looked very similar to what you’d expect on the TRUKIN if it were set to 28L/R……but the crew would not have gotten correct FMAs on the takeoff roll if this were the case.

I really don’t know.

I think I’m just going to remind myself continue to emphasize on VVM, slowing it down, not rushing and not rushing the person next to you.


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