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Old 09-09-2025 | 09:30 PM
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https://www.flightglobal.com/strateg...164457.article

The days of Southwest being a single fleet type are approaching an end.
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Old 09-10-2025 | 04:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Fly4FunAA
https://www.flightglobal.com/strateg...164457.article

The days of Southwest being a single fleet type are approaching an end.
No clue if it happens or not, but not sure I’d be so quick to hitch my career wagon to:

“I’m not promising those things… Everything is on the table at Southwest,” he says.

“Should we chose to fly to Europe… that’s not a mission the 737 Max will do, so we [would] need a different aircraft” – either a widebody or different narrowbody, Jordan says. “It could be that a widebody is just too much, at least for a start.”
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Old 09-10-2025 | 05:14 AM
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Originally Posted by 60av8tor
No clue if it happens or not, but not sure I’d be so quick to hitch my career wagon to:

“I’m not promising those things… Everything is on the table at Southwest,” he says.

“Should we chose to fly to Europe… that’s not a mission the 737 Max will do, so we [would] need a different aircraft” – either a widebody or different narrowbody, Jordan says. “It could be that a widebody is just too much, at least for a start.”
yeah, there were a lot of “maybes “ in that article.
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Old 09-10-2025 | 06:42 AM
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Originally Posted by JTwift
yeah, there were a lot of “maybes “ in that article.
I wouldn’t even classify the quotes as maybes, lol.
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Old 09-10-2025 | 08:06 AM
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Based solely upon how long it took them to get one pilot base ETOPS qualified, the idea that they could get any new fleet trained and equipped this decade is laughable.
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Old 09-10-2025 | 08:37 AM
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Originally Posted by planejoe;[url=tel:3946205
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Florida native, born and raised. Beautiful it is not.

I mean, unless you compare it to anywhere in the PA/NJ/NYC area… then yeah you could comparatively call it “beautiful”. A one legged paraplegic could clear that bar with ease however.
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Old 09-10-2025 | 10:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Grumble
Florida native, born and raised. Beautiful it is not.

I mean, unless you compare it to anywhere in the PA/NJ/NYC area… then yeah you could comparatively call it “beautiful”. A one legged paraplegic could clear that bar with ease however.
Winter Park, Baldwin Park, Windermere are amongst some of the nicest in Central Florida. Not to mention some of the springs not too far out.
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Old 09-10-2025 | 02:02 PM
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I'm based in MCO. Take United. It will take a while to get based in MCO, but that could also happen fairly quickly if UAL opens a SoFL hub... and if they do, they'll keep the MCO and TPA bases.
At this point, plan on it taking a couple of years to get MCO as an FO and 10 years (at a minimum) as a CA.

Originally Posted by JediCheese
I'm sure Kirby will happily pick those up if the price is right. A320 is going to be the new 756 fleet with all the different configurations.
No one wants those NK's planes. They've had more than 20 aircraft readied for sale for ... quite a while with no one buying them. They're lemons.
And Kirby's already said that he's not interested in NK's aircraft - too much time and cost to convert vs just buying new ones out of the factory. And he gets better financing terms on new stuff.

Originally Posted by Smooth at FL450
Thats probably just because we don’t have to wear a dumb looking hat. 🤓
I haven't worn a hat at UAL for several years. I'm not in compliance with the FOM, but IDGAS.

Originally Posted by Grumble
If you can mathematically explain how to credit 80 hours in 12 days with an avg 5:15/day…. I’d love to hear it.
Hmm. I had a 4 day with 24:16 pay (20:06 block) @50% PP (11:29:30 premium credit), 1 hr triggered reassignment, 2:10 unaugmented duty, 2:05 sit time, 1:04:40 overtime pay = 40:55:10 total credit.
One day off followed by an out of base 4 day pickup @100% PP.
24:42 pay (20:35 block) @100% PP (24:42 premium credit), 1:33 unaugmented duty = 50:57 total credit.

91:52:10 credit in 9 days. Not a 5:15/day avg, but picking up @100% would do it.
I coasted for most of the rest of the month.

Flying into your day off triggers a cash generation machine - and no, I didn't fly into my days off on either of those two trips.

Originally Posted by Chimpy
‘lol that easy huh? Unless you’ve been here 20 years and hold 10hr day trips it isn’t easy to dump stuff. United is great but the reserve grid and how they come up with their minimum staffing level is a weak spot in the UPA. It’s been impossible to straight drop anything here and Bad Day/ Worse Day isn’t much better when the numbers are constantly manipulated.
I'm at ~50% in my seat. I dump my entire schedule during the summer and pick up premium. A lot of that premium's out of base, but I don't make the trip to another base unless it pays well.

Originally Posted by ThumbsUp
Yes, by drop I mean bad day/worse day. And it is easy. Even junior people do it. You just have to know how to bid and how the trading system works. Most people think they do, but don’t really.
Spot on. It takes some work to figure out how to work it, but once you do, it's easy. Of course it depends on BES.

Originally Posted by planejoe
What is the current wait for a new hire to get MCO based for FO and later on CA?
Everything's fluid, but probably at least 2 years for FO and more than 10 (15+ is a safer bet) for CA.

Originally Posted by JTwift
there’s actually a 787CA bidding into MCO on the snapshot.
A lot of the CAs bidding MCO are doing it to get the paid move prior to retirement. And FWIW, one can easily make more money as a 737CA than a 787CA.

Originally Posted by 60av8tor
No clue if it happens or not, but not sure I’d be so quick to hitch my career wagon to:

“I’m not promising those things… Everything is on the table at Southwest,” he says.

“Should we chose to fly to Europe… that’s not a mission the 737 Max will do, so we [would] need a different aircraft” – either a widebody or different narrowbody, Jordan says. “It could be that a widebody is just too much, at least for a start.”
Flying narrowbodies across the pond is dumb, dumb, dumb. Flights to Europe and Asia don't make their money on passenger tickets; they make their money on the cargo.


Apply to LUV, but take your class date at UAL. You'll end up staying at UAL and won't regret it. Yes, you'll be commuting on the front end of your career, but will be based in MCO eventually. It's worth the pain on the front end.
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Old 09-10-2025 | 04:49 PM
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Originally Posted by SoFloFlyer
Winter Park, Baldwin Park, Windermere are amongst some of the nicest in Central Florida. Not to mention some of the springs not too far out.
yep-absolutely beautiful. A reason why some of the richest people in the world live there (when they could literally live anywhere in the world).
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Old 09-12-2025 | 10:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Andy
Flying narrowbodies across the pond is dumb, dumb, dumb. Flights to Europe and Asia don't make their money on passenger tickets; they make their money on the cargo.


Apply to LUV, but take your class date at UAL. You'll end up staying at UAL and won't regret it. Yes, you'll be commuting on the front end of your career, but will be based in MCO eventually. It's worth the pain on the front end.
UAL literally flies narrowbodies across the pond on the regular, has done so for quite some time, and plans to expand that operation with the XLR.
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