the 120 hours is in a rolling 12 months look back. They are entitled to make a “good faith basis inquiry”. Which means they can ask you to go to a medical professional and have them sign a form stating the general nature of the illness. I am pretty sure they will reimburse your expenses too. Other scenarios where they can make a GFB inquiry are sick on holidays, sick after being awarded a reserve assignment, sick on either end of a vacation block, and maybe a couple others not sure. It’s kind of a haze but it’s their only defense against people burning every single hour of their sick time come end of the sick year. Also if you have called in sick less than 50 hours in the preceding year you’re immune from random GFB calls in the current year.

 

Ahh okay. It just reaffirms my belief that our approach to sick calls with their sick hour awards

 

Is this official guidance published somewhere?

 

I’ve actually never had a GFB call. But from what I heard you get a call from ATL (don’t think it involves your CPO), and they give you the bad news and then you have to go to an urgent care or your own doctor and upload a couple forms then your GFB is accepted. The funny thing is it isn’t immediate. I think it could be a couple days later, which is kind of dumb because you’re probably better at that point (“hey doc I felt sick two days ago from _____”).

The other details about the 50 hours, 120 hours etc. are from the PWA.

I’m pretty sure this is accurate but any other Delta guys can chime in and make corrections.

 

My GFBs have always been from the NYC CPO.

Been probably 8 since COVID ended. None pre covid.

 

Ah ok. For some reason I thought they all came from Atlanta as opposed to when the CPO calling to check in on people.

 

I'm not sure where you're getting that your sick bank is now back up to 230 hours.

You start with 200 in January 1. YOu accumulate 5 hours/month. On July 1 you have 230 hours. Let’s say that in July you call in with a Mental Health Sick Day and use 30 hours. Sick bank goes back down to 200. Accumulate 5 hours/month. On January 1 of the following year it's back up to 230. [goto:top. repeat:routine Mental Health Sick Call]




You forgot to say "Ok, Boomer."

I forgot what the effective date of TA-2 was, but about 70% of our hires are post-Merger, and I've heard that as much as 60% of our pilots, if not more, have been hired in the last 5 years. So my personal guesstimate is that the “senior dudes” (and dudettes) were a minority of the pilot group at date of signing. And of that small group of senior pilots, the percentage using/abusing/exploiting the loophole was an even smaller minority of the pilot group at DOS.

Some of the senior pilots had already been out on LTD and were trying to build their banks back up. Some of them felt it was morally wrong to use the loophole. Some didn’t even know about it. And some were Marvin Mainliners, they were going to come in sick no matter what because they personally felt like they had to keep the company afloat and it would all collapse without them.

So let’s be honest about what closing this loophole was about: it wasn’t about stopping the FOGs as they flew off into the sunset, it was about closing the loophole for the 60-70% of the FNGs who had been hired since the merger and were going to be under this contract for the next 7-10 years, and keeping them from using it.

Which is why I voted NO.

 

I apologize, I misspoke. I was using your example to explain how it works now. You'd get paid 95 hours after picking up the above trip and the other 25 hours go back into your sick bank, so you'd be back at 225. If you then picked up another trip that paid 10 hours, 5 would go to your sick bank to finish paying back what you used, and the other 5 would be paid out, bringing you to 100 hours.

Above 95 hours you have to pay back your sick bank before getting paid additional. I'm not advocating or judging, just trying to clarify how that works.

 

Ok boomer. Funny how post-merger hires are FNGs that have been at United over a decade.

 

Correct!

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