Originally Posted by Steve Crewdog

Let me pour some water in the kool-aid being served here and dilute the brainwashing. Just a refresher about how it USED to be before the 95 hour concession:

-You have 200 hours of sick time.
-Every month you get 5 hours added to your sick bank. In 6 months you accumulate 30 hours. You now have 230 hours in your sick bank.
-Just to keep the math simple, suppose you trip trade and have 3 trips, each worth 30 hours, so you have a 90 hour PTC/LPV.
-It's a beautiful day, you're going through a speedbump in life and don't want to go to work. You need a mental health day.
-You call in sick for your next trip. Your PTC is now 90, your LPV is 60. Your sick bank is deducted by 30 hours and is now 200 hours again.

-Tanned, fit, rested, feeling better becaue you took a mental health sick day, the same value trip on a different day come open.
-You pick up the 30 hour trip. Your PTC is now 120 hours. Your LPV is 90.

-With the extra 30 hours of pay you take your companion on a nice weekend away, buy parts for your airplane, or something for your Mom.
-In 6 months, rinse and repeat.

-Over the course of a year that 95 hour cap has cost you 60 hours of pay. In a 20 year career, that's 1,200 hours of pay. Over a full year of free money.



That and the fact the anyone on LTD stayed on the old rates and did not snap up to the new rates were why I voted NO.

Originally Posted by RSRVWINDSURFR

For the love of God, please don't try to make our old sick leave system look good. 5 hrs/mo was a complete joke. That system had people flying sick all the time as well. Get a bad cold and sit out a couple of trips? There goes your entire sick accrual for the year. Fall off your bike and hurt your shoulder? There goes your sick time accrual for the last two years. 5 hrs/mo was atrocious. 6hrs/mo is completely inadequate as well. We should be aiming for 9hrs/mo at a bare minimum on our next contract (and get rid of the 95/mo rule).

Originally Posted by AntiCompanyMan

Personally I'd prefer a system like Deltas where you get 250 hours at the beginning of every year (could be wrong or missing something).

Originally Posted by SoFloFlyer

How many hours depends on longevity. Idk when you top out, but the top end of the list get around 250ish. Most people are around 150-190ish IIRC.

That said, I prefer Delta’s systems as well

Originally Posted by AntiCompanyMan

Personally I'd prefer a system like Deltas where you get 250 hours at the beginning of every year (could be wrong or missing something).

Originally Posted by Hedley

Even if the poling data showed that we wanted to go that way, the company wouldn’t sign off on it unless we gave up something BIG in exchange. They know that we’d treat it as use it or lose it “flexible vacation days” and sick calls would go way up.

Originally Posted by khergan

The number of hours they get is way better, no question. It would be an interesting problem to level set the pilot group, with some people with 250-1000 hours banked and other pilots who have 0-50. It would penalize the people who have saved their hours over the years and reward those who use them all every year.

Originally Posted by ThumbsUp

Yep. And assuming that the Delta folks’ postings were correct, it sounds like it’s more like our ESB in actual practice. You’re not getting to use those all days without some medical proof to the company.

Originally Posted by ThumbsUp

Yep. And assuming that the Delta folks’ postings were correct, it sounds like it’s more like our ESB in actual practice. You’re not getting to use those all days without some medical proof to the company.

Originally Posted by SoFloFlyer

Only problem is that we can only use ESB twice in our careers. They also have a similar ESB. I believe that they get a CPO call after 120 hours of usage and have the same convo we have with our CPO (they just want to make sure you’re okay, non-punitive).

I think if we keep our policy, but with get everything up front would work out well.

A middle ground would be to increase the hours a month we accumulate. 6/month is not adequate imo