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As mentioned, the 757-300 has no replacement either, but it's not nearly as good on CASM as the slightly-fewer-seat A321Neo. The 753 has 17% more seats, but a much larger fuel penalty (~50% more gas!). Increasing frequency (where airport capacity/slots/gates allow) makes more sense than hanging on to a 757-300.
there will be 767s and 757s in the fleet into 2030. The real question is how big the fleet will be. If the economy craps out the 757-200s will be gone 1:1 with XLRs. If the economy does well then the -200s may last longer to fill gaps or new route growth. The 767-300s will start going once 787 growth and intl expansion stops.
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One addition that I didn't see announced until later in the afternoon was the introduction of the "Relax Rows" on our planes allowing three coach seats to convert to a lie-flat surface for one or more people (think a couple or parents with kids). Saw an analysis on X about this new product that is quite interesting:
Aakash Gupta • @aakashgupta • 17h
The most profitable seat on a 787 isn't in business class. It's three economy seats with a $40 mattress pad. I've flown the original version on Air New Zealand. United just figured out the math.
A Polaris suite takes the footprint of roughly four economy seats. At $4,000 one-way on a transatlantic route, that's $1,000 per seat-equivalent of revenue. A Relax Row takes three economy seats, sells for $3,000 to $5,000 as a unit, and requires zero cabin reconfiguration. That's $1,000 to $1,700 per seat-equivalent with almost no incremental cost. The margins on a mattress pad and adjustable leg rests versus a lie-flat suite with a privacy door, dedicated galley, and premium meal service aren't even comparable.
Air New Zealand proved this in 2011. Called it Skycouch. Same seat. Same concept. Fifteen years of booking data showing parents choose flat over reclined at almost any price. United licensed the design and locked North American exclusivity.
The timing maps to a ceiling in their premium strategy. United posted $59.1 billion in revenue last year. Premium cabin revenue grew 11% while economy flatlined. But there are only so many rows you can convert to Polaris before you've hollowed out the cabin. At some point you need the 300 economy passengers to fund the aircraft.
Relax Row threads that needle. 200 widebody aircraft. Up to 12 sections per plane. 2,400 units fleet-wide on routes where families will pay anything to let a toddler sleep horizontal for 14 hours. Dynamic pricing at American willingness-to-pay levels on a product Air New Zealand sells for $200 to $1,500.
Six fare classes on a single widebody now: Basic Economy, Economy, Relax Row, Premium Plus, Polaris, Polaris Studio. Each tier reframes the next as reasonable.
They wrapped it in a plushie because "highest-margin seat in commercial aviation" doesn't fit on a boarding pass.
Aakash Gupta • @aakashgupta • 17h
The most profitable seat on a 787 isn't in business class. It's three economy seats with a $40 mattress pad. I've flown the original version on Air New Zealand. United just figured out the math.
A Polaris suite takes the footprint of roughly four economy seats. At $4,000 one-way on a transatlantic route, that's $1,000 per seat-equivalent of revenue. A Relax Row takes three economy seats, sells for $3,000 to $5,000 as a unit, and requires zero cabin reconfiguration. That's $1,000 to $1,700 per seat-equivalent with almost no incremental cost. The margins on a mattress pad and adjustable leg rests versus a lie-flat suite with a privacy door, dedicated galley, and premium meal service aren't even comparable.
Air New Zealand proved this in 2011. Called it Skycouch. Same seat. Same concept. Fifteen years of booking data showing parents choose flat over reclined at almost any price. United licensed the design and locked North American exclusivity.
The timing maps to a ceiling in their premium strategy. United posted $59.1 billion in revenue last year. Premium cabin revenue grew 11% while economy flatlined. But there are only so many rows you can convert to Polaris before you've hollowed out the cabin. At some point you need the 300 economy passengers to fund the aircraft.
Relax Row threads that needle. 200 widebody aircraft. Up to 12 sections per plane. 2,400 units fleet-wide on routes where families will pay anything to let a toddler sleep horizontal for 14 hours. Dynamic pricing at American willingness-to-pay levels on a product Air New Zealand sells for $200 to $1,500.
Six fare classes on a single widebody now: Basic Economy, Economy, Relax Row, Premium Plus, Polaris, Polaris Studio. Each tier reframes the next as reasonable.
They wrapped it in a plushie because "highest-margin seat in commercial aviation" doesn't fit on a boarding pass.
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As mentioned, the 757-300 has no replacement either, but it's not nearly as good on CASM as the slightly-fewer-seat A321Neo. The 753 has 17% more seats, but a much larger fuel penalty (~50% more gas!). Increasing frequency (where airport capacity/slots/gates allow) makes more sense than hanging on to a 757-300...
and 321neo/max availability is still constrained.
If the 756 class broadly makes sense, the 753 makes sense as part of it
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Doesn’t matter, it’s covered under current scope. Just because they only put 41 seats in a 50 seat jet, it’s still a 50 seat jet.
Originally Posted by EWRflyr;[url=tel:4016581
4016581[/url]]One addition that I didn't see announced until later in the afternoon was the introduction of the "Relax Rows" on our planes allowing three coach seats to convert to a lie-flat surface for one or more people (think a couple or parents with kids). Saw an analysis on X about this new product that is quite interesting:
Aakash Gupta • @aakashgupta • 17h
The most profitable seat on a 787 isn't in business class. It's three economy seats with a $40 mattress pad. I've flown the original version on Air New Zealand. United just figured out the math.
A Polaris suite takes the footprint of roughly four economy seats. At $4,000 one-way on a transatlantic route, that's $1,000 per seat-equivalent of revenue. A Relax Row takes three economy seats, sells for $3,000 to $5,000 as a unit, and requires zero cabin reconfiguration. That's $1,000 to $1,700 per seat-equivalent with almost no incremental cost. The margins on a mattress pad and adjustable leg rests versus a lie-flat suite with a privacy door, dedicated galley, and premium meal service aren't even comparable.
Air New Zealand proved this in 2011. Called it Skycouch. Same seat. Same concept. Fifteen years of booking data showing parents choose flat over reclined at almost any price. United licensed the design and locked North American exclusivity.
The timing maps to a ceiling in their premium strategy. United posted $59.1 billion in revenue last year. Premium cabin revenue grew 11% while economy flatlined. But there are only so many rows you can convert to Polaris before you've hollowed out the cabin. At some point you need the 300 economy passengers to fund the aircraft.
Relax Row threads that needle. 200 widebody aircraft. Up to 12 sections per plane. 2,400 units fleet-wide on routes where families will pay anything to let a toddler sleep horizontal for 14 hours. Dynamic pricing at American willingness-to-pay levels on a product Air New Zealand sells for $200 to $1,500.
Six fare classes on a single widebody now: Basic Economy, Economy, Relax Row, Premium Plus, Polaris, Polaris Studio. Each tier reframes the next as reasonable.
They wrapped it in a plushie because "highest-margin seat in commercial aviation" doesn't fit on a boarding pass.
Aakash Gupta • @aakashgupta • 17h
The most profitable seat on a 787 isn't in business class. It's three economy seats with a $40 mattress pad. I've flown the original version on Air New Zealand. United just figured out the math.
A Polaris suite takes the footprint of roughly four economy seats. At $4,000 one-way on a transatlantic route, that's $1,000 per seat-equivalent of revenue. A Relax Row takes three economy seats, sells for $3,000 to $5,000 as a unit, and requires zero cabin reconfiguration. That's $1,000 to $1,700 per seat-equivalent with almost no incremental cost. The margins on a mattress pad and adjustable leg rests versus a lie-flat suite with a privacy door, dedicated galley, and premium meal service aren't even comparable.
Air New Zealand proved this in 2011. Called it Skycouch. Same seat. Same concept. Fifteen years of booking data showing parents choose flat over reclined at almost any price. United licensed the design and locked North American exclusivity.
The timing maps to a ceiling in their premium strategy. United posted $59.1 billion in revenue last year. Premium cabin revenue grew 11% while economy flatlined. But there are only so many rows you can convert to Polaris before you've hollowed out the cabin. At some point you need the 300 economy passengers to fund the aircraft.
Relax Row threads that needle. 200 widebody aircraft. Up to 12 sections per plane. 2,400 units fleet-wide on routes where families will pay anything to let a toddler sleep horizontal for 14 hours. Dynamic pricing at American willingness-to-pay levels on a product Air New Zealand sells for $200 to $1,500.
Six fare classes on a single widebody now: Basic Economy, Economy, Relax Row, Premium Plus, Polaris, Polaris Studio. Each tier reframes the next as reasonable.
They wrapped it in a plushie because "highest-margin seat in commercial aviation" doesn't fit on a boarding pass.
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I think this is officially the end of the 757s. At least all the 200s. With fuel increasing and the 321XLR it’s a forgone conclusion.
i would also imagine vacancy/displacement bids initially to get the west coast and DEN and IAH 756 bases closed and move the 756/767 flying primarily out of EWR and IAD with maybe ORD?
Overall good news for us!
i would also imagine vacancy/displacement bids initially to get the west coast and DEN and IAH 756 bases closed and move the 756/767 flying primarily out of EWR and IAD with maybe ORD?
Overall good news for us!
#37
They can’t do that. The reason for the extra space is there is no seat ahead of them. Only bulkhead seats have that extra space.
on the 767 the rest seat is 1A. Personally I’ve never had an issue with noise in that seat except when the FA’s are doing the service, and even then it is minimal. The curtain doesn’t cut down noise that much. And before and after break, the galley is almost never “brightly lit”. Of course, during break the curtain does do a good job of blocking light, so maybe they turn the lights off right before break is over.
on the 767 the rest seat is 1A. Personally I’ve never had an issue with noise in that seat except when the FA’s are doing the service, and even then it is minimal. The curtain doesn’t cut down noise that much. And before and after break, the galley is almost never “brightly lit”. Of course, during break the curtain does do a good job of blocking light, so maybe they turn the lights off right before break is over.
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As someone with an interview in the next few weeks, I'm quite excited to see that. Any clue how many of those are Airbus 320-family aircraft?
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- 47 Boeing 787-9 Dreamliners with the Elevated interior
- 33 will be configured with additional premium seats
- 40 Airbus A321neo Coastliners out of 50 total on order
- 28 Airbus A321XLR out of 50 total on order
- 119 Boeing 737 MAX
- 18 Airbus A321neos
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