Could United merge with part of Jet Blue
04-13-2026 | 04:38 AM
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Why or why not the 220 is a fair question, but everything from the company up to this point says that they’re not interested. It is a modern and efficient type, but it would also bring the significant cost of adding a type. I’d suspect that the max7 could cover the same markets without the expense of adding a new type, but they don’t seem interested in that either. It’s all about max9/10’s, 321’s, and upgauging. I thought that they would have added the 220, 190/195 E2, or max7 since the pandemic but they haven’t really expressed interest in altering the current plan.
04-13-2026 | 04:51 AM
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the why 220 over max7 is scope. The 450/550 casmmaxxing expeditions are where i see the jetblue 223 (requiring a 221 order) pencilling different
04-13-2026 | 06:05 AM
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I don’t see the benefit for a small Narrowbody what’s so ever today… With the increases of crew costs over the last 10 years, they see the value of spreading those increased costs over more seats in quite a bit of the domestic market.
The other segment of the market (premium), larger aircraft provides more floor space to offer more premium seats (domestic lie-flats, Higher number of FC seats, Premium Econ, more Econ+ seats, etc).
The primary reason why Delta took on the A220 to begin with is because Bombardier offered them at a steep discount to become a US launch customer. Just like how Delta acquired the 717s from Southwest after the Southwest/AirTran merger, very very cheap….
United isn’t going to get that kind of deal for the A220 from Airbus
The other segment of the market (premium), larger aircraft provides more floor space to offer more premium seats (domestic lie-flats, Higher number of FC seats, Premium Econ, more Econ+ seats, etc).
The primary reason why Delta took on the A220 to begin with is because Bombardier offered them at a steep discount to become a US launch customer. Just like how Delta acquired the 717s from Southwest after the Southwest/AirTran merger, very very cheap….
United isn’t going to get that kind of deal for the A220 from Airbus
04-13-2026 | 08:13 AM
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From: 787 FO
PAA1 to United (2/86 Pacific): .431 Pan Am pilots
PAA2 to United (5/91 LHR): ......42 Pan Am pilots
PAA3 to United (?/92 Lat Am): ..16 Pan Am pilots
PAA4 to United (9/92 Lat Am): 215 Pan Am pilots
PAAn (off street): ..................123 Pan Am pilots
PAA Total: .............................827 Pan Am pilots
04-13-2026 | 09:34 AM
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04-13-2026 | 09:38 AM
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That is incorrect.
PAA1 to United (2/86 Pacific): .431 Pan Am pilots
PAA2 to United (5/91 LHR): ......42 Pan Am pilots
PAA3 to United (?/92 Lat Am): ..16 Pan Am pilots
PAA4 to United (9/92 Lat Am): 215 Pan Am pilots
PAAn (off street): ..................123 Pan Am pilots
PAA Total: .............................827 Pan Am pilots
PAA1 to United (2/86 Pacific): .431 Pan Am pilots
PAA2 to United (5/91 LHR): ......42 Pan Am pilots
PAA3 to United (?/92 Lat Am): ..16 Pan Am pilots
PAA4 to United (9/92 Lat Am): 215 Pan Am pilots
PAAn (off street): ..................123 Pan Am pilots
PAA Total: .............................827 Pan Am pilots
04-13-2026 | 10:51 AM
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I don't know, but 827 PAA pilots got jobs with United and I flew with a lot of them who got DOH. I also flew with a lot of rEAL, Midway and Spirit pilots among others who United ALPA worked to get preferential interviews/hiring, and they made our pilot group better. United ALPA has a strong culture of helping fellow ALPA pilots who need a 'lifeboat' as you say.
04-13-2026 | 11:27 AM
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I don't know, but 827 PAA pilots got jobs with United and I flew with a lot of them who got DOH. I also flew with a lot of rEAL, Midway and Spirit pilots among others who United ALPA worked to get preferential interviews/hiring, and they made our pilot group better. United ALPA has a strong culture of helping fellow ALPA pilots who need a 'lifeboat' as you say.
04-13-2026 | 06:20 PM
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Lifeboat was a term used by Pan Am guys trying to get to Delta. Didn’t mean it disparaging. Well before my time, but I know a few rEAL guys that appreciated UAL ALPA making them a hiring priority. Might be wrong, but I was told CAL getting sued over Frank’s A-300 steal lead to EAL guys who got hired there (including our youngest scab unfort)…
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