Have never subjected my passengers or crew to that situation but I sure appreciate your approval to handle situations as I see fit, I feel much better now, thx.

Obviously I have no specific knowledge of the incident, BUT I am quite familiar with captains that share his viewpoint. I've had captains try to bully and belittle me to agree with their viewpoint. It doesn't work. Although I'm an FO, I have a good sense of what deferrals are appropriate and which are not. Lambourne is free to make any decision for himself, BUT he must still consider the opinions of at least one more pilot. Believe it or not (;)) I've had to be the one to step up and shut down a bad sequence of decisions. I can detect the attitude very quickly.

That's all you have to come back with? This has gone from a chest thumping, money grubbing pilot who was called on the carpet to your pleasure by elevating me to the position of King of Tacit Approval Dispensation?

Hopefully those who support removal of trips with pay loss (and i'm not saying you do syd111) when they refuse an aircraft won't be upset when they refuse a plane only to watch Glenn Quagmire pull away from the gate on their refused jet with bonus pay. But then again, maybe they have never refused a jet. Giggity giggity!

Thats why I call it a crew decision, hopefully you don't have to many that do not include you in the decision.

Yep thats all I have, and yes I have refused more than one a/c.

Bless you my son. Now let us go forth and secure thy JCBA. Be good.

Thank you Father!

Sure would like to secure the JCBA

I think this statement is exactly the point! As the Captain, I am authorized by the FAA to handle the situation as I see fit, with thoughtful input from the rest of my crew. L's giddiness over the company wanting to dock flight pay, render punishment, etc. does NOTHING but undermine that responsibility. I'm frankly appalled that a line pilot would publicly advocate for that just because he gets frustrated that we have a few bad apples who try to game the system. What's next, do we want the CSR to decide who gets the jumpseat? Do we want the Flight Managers to tell us that we aren't too fatigued to fly? If L wants to volunteer to have the Flight Office approve of all his decisions fine, but I'd prefer he leave me out of it.

By the way.... Since we've fully thread drifted away from the EFB's:

Does anyone have that document that ALPA put out a few years ago about their stance on what systems equipment they recommend we do NOT take? I BELIEVE, but can't remember for sure, that no APU at night or in IMC was on that list.

I lost mine, and would sure like to have it for guidance.

https://crewroom.alpa.org/ual/Deskto...cumentID=19676

Starts about page 27 and runs through 34. Enjoy