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Dash8Pilot 11-04-2010 01:12 PM


Originally Posted by Captain Bligh (Post 895744)
So don't do it. Or are you saying "Almost nobody, but there are just a few that are eager at the opportunity"?

I said "almost" because there are a few that are looking forward to it, but not nearly enough to staff the domicile. They all live within driving distance of IAH, so they won't be getting denied jumpseats. The commuters will be the pilots at the very bottom of the seniority list, who were displaced against their wishes to IAH. That's who you'd be taking it out on.

MatchPoint 11-04-2010 03:36 PM


Originally Posted by dosbo (Post 895742)
Yea, I bet all those junior regional guys feel real bad about the flying with united paint that replaced the 100 737's and put 1437 pilots on the street as well.

Respectfully we weren’t “giddy” and BTW it was UALPA that allowed it. So don’t blame this on us, we only work as crappy paid sub-contractors within your scope parameters.

We want mainline jobs but over the last decade the shedding of mainline a/c has severely damaged our career goals. We are not the ones who allowed it, it was the majority at mainline. We hope and pray that you will start taking it back. I will gladly take a furlough today and the potential of an interview tomorrow to get all flying back in-house.

Good day.

MatchPoint 11-04-2010 04:25 PM


Originally Posted by Captain Bligh (Post 895744)
So don't do it. Or are you saying "Almost nobody, but there are just a few that are eager at the opportunity"?

There’s no picket line here and the legality of this falls on your shoulders, remember it was UAL that allowed this in the first place. Exactly how your Mgt team plans to skate around your scope is your problem and it needs to be shutdown ASAP! For all our futures.

Think about our side for a second, if you can….. a larger majority of us will be displaced to IAH. If we take your advice and refuse to fly, it WILL result in us getting fired. Once again there is no picket line which is the only work we can refuse to fly. Now we're jobless in a poor economy and our career has once again been sent down the crapper cause of the majority of mainline pilots. You allowed it and when it blows up in your face you blame us.

Please FIX IT!!!!! Only you can.

Denying us the JS will cause some complications but CAL’s not the only operator in and out of IAH. I will not quit because mainline allowed a deterioration of my/our career(s).

XHooker 11-05-2010 10:31 AM


Originally Posted by MatchPoint (Post 896203)
Please FIX IT!!!!! Only you can.

Two excellent posts which I suspect mirror the opinions of a majority of regional pilots. The real irony here is that many of the pilots at majors calling for a jumpseat war probably came from the regionals. We need to place the blame where it really belongs, ourselves and management, and not blame the pilots who are just doing a job they are contractually bound to do.

dontsurf 11-06-2010 06:50 PM

just so i'm understanding this correctly. united's management is violating the contract that continental (now united) has with its pilots.

and the solution is:

punish skywest pilots.

i guess i don't see the logic there.

united pilots gave up scope. continental pilots didn't. continental is now united. maybe the continental guys don't know how united treats its employees, but here's lesson #1, right? 66 seat regional jets in houston and soon to be in newark. that's YOUR management doing it to you, it's not skywest, or republic, or anyone else.

complain to the people that made the decision. don't blame and punish the people who are stuck with the results of the decision just like you are.

ron kent 11-07-2010 06:54 AM


Originally Posted by dontsurf (Post 897298)
just so i'm understanding this correctly. united's management is violating the contract that continental (now united) has with its pilots.

and the solution is:

punish skywest pilots.

i guess i don't see the logic there.

united pilots gave up scope. continental pilots didn't. continental is now united. maybe the continental guys don't know how united treats its employees, but here's lesson #1, right? 66 seat regional jets in houston and soon to be in newark. that's YOUR management doing it to you, it's not skywest, or republic, or anyone else.

complain to the people that made the decision. don't blame and punish the people who are stuck with the results of the decision just like you are.

Spot on, Skywest and their pilots are not doing this, mgt is. This is how they say "Welcome to United Airlines".

dumpcheck 11-07-2010 08:39 AM

I agree...this talk of a jumpseat war is stupid and does not address the problem or a solution. I hope and think most will keep their senses...

250 or point 65 11-07-2010 02:25 PM


Originally Posted by Golden Bear (Post 895923)
Be sure to deny the entire pre-merger UAL pilot-group who negotiated and voted for a contract that allowed such UEX flying in the first place. You know, the only ones in this whole drama who could have prevented this flying.

That'll show 'em.

THIS is the truth.

dosbo 11-07-2010 04:50 PM


Originally Posted by Golden Bear (Post 895923)
Be sure to deny the entire pre-merger UAL pilot-group who negotiated and voted for a contract that allowed such UEX flying in the first place. You know, the only ones in this whole drama who could have prevented this flying.

That'll show 'em.


Yea, go ahead and deny me the jump seat to work. Oh wait, never mind I'm already furloughed and have been replaced by 70 seat RJ's, and I never got to vote on outsourcing either. In fact I don't think the line pilots at UAL ever got the chance to actually vote on their work being outsourced.

Perhaps the IAH continental pilots are just concerned about being outsourced as well by replacement jets.

dontsurf 11-07-2010 05:10 PM

maybe there's some confusion out there.

we at skywest are not getting new planes. we're not getting new flying. united airlines is shifting the express flying around. houston is a new base for united airlines post-merger and they are shifting some of our airplanes to houston. yes, they are 66 seat planes. i understand that is a problem for the former continental airlines pilot contract. but it is not new flying for us, we are not hiring a bunch of people to take over this flying.

also, there are 2 parties to the contract of which you speak: united airlines (the new united airlines, for whom all of continental airlines contracts are now binding, right?) and the united airlines pilots. skywest airlines management is not a party in that contract. skywest airlines pilots are certainly not a party in that contract. skywest in no way can be violating that contract. only 2 parties can. united airlines and united airlines pilots. obviously, united airlines is purposely violating that contract to welcome continental pilots to the company. that is how they do business. i'm sure everyone knows that.

we skywest pilots, and all regional pilots, want the new united airlines combined pilot group to enforce the scope with their company. that is good for the industry, and obviously good for your furloughed pilots. we do not want further erosion of scope any more than you do. keep up the fight.


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