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I find this comment interesting. He made the same comments about the pre-merged Continental. However, as Jeff pointed out earlier this year, from 2000-2009, CAL lost $1 billion. That's $1 billion OVER A 10 YEAR PERIOD while solely having a max of 50-seat small-jets. Now, no loss of money is a good thing I admit. However, if you compare that to the other legacy carriers, CAL lost the least amount of money over that same period while those other carriers HAD 70-seat small jets. CAL was considered to be in good shape financially (this is not a CAL vs. UAL statement and is not aimed at UAL guys related to anything to do with JCBA or SLI).


So Jeff, I ask you, how exactly is the combined company at a competitive disadvantage FINANCIALLY because CAL has a scope clause that limits you to 50-seat jets for the feeders? CAL seemed to do OK before this merger with just 50-seaters.

 

Practically anybody can do the same lousy job of managing this company for pennies on the dollar as Mr Smisek. Perhaps he should show us personally how outsourcing can benefit us. Maybe he'd like to lead the way and outsource himself first?

 

Pilots are clearly the geniuses of the business world.

 

Actually, they are not. Please don't be so easily fooled by a simple illusion. They just look like pure geniuses when compared to the batch of selfish leeches running several of the legacy carriers right now.

Where is the next Herb?
SP

 

Please don't send Jet Daily hate mail. He was often beat up as a child by his peers and most of the way through MBA online and night school courses. Swirlies, snuggies, getting his books knocked to the floor from his arms. . . the usual stuff.

He's assigned himself to post anti-pilot slurs on this website. It helps him validated the fact that he drives a desk, steals wages from pilots and attempts to break unions for a living. It's how some deal with self loathing.

 

Instead of fighting for scope relief, why doesn't the CEO try to negotiate a rate for 70 seaters on the UA/ CO certificate? Then the UA/ CO pilots would be flying it. No scope given up, both parties happy.

 

It would be GREAT NEWS to have mainline take back the 70 seaters. But the logistics of doing so Is mind boggling. Management would not be willing to cancel the long term 70 seat contracts UAL has with Skywest, Republic, TSA/Gojets and Mesa and pay millions in breach of contract fees. Then a mainline training program for FAA, pilots and mechanics will have to be started. More millions. Some have suggested just let the contracts expire and go from there. There is still many many years left on some of those contacts. Mainline pilots would be sacrificing a lot of negotiating capital and possible pay raises to be successful on this one. My hats off to them if they succeed.

 

The logistics you've presented are EXACTLY why the proposal is to gradually bring all outsourced flying back in house, & not all at once.

 

It took Compass less than 4 months to get up and running from NOTHING, with a ton of NWA help. All the money spent is a writeoff, so another no brainer.

 

Just to clarify........ GoJets is flying the 70 seat RJs not TSA.