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dvhighdrive88 01-20-2011 10:52 AM

New timeline?
 
So what can we expect now as far as a timeline for events?

I understand the original mediator is out and the new one in. Not sure if the new guy is a good or indifferent development.

It's been widely stated that the mediator will need to be brought "up to speed" before any progress is made and many suggest this could take weeks, possibly months but I guess the real question is in what time frame will real progress likely take place. Mid summer, next fall or is it just a guessing game?

After all, the AMR folks have been in mediation a darn long time...

SoCalGuy 01-20-2011 12:58 PM


Originally Posted by dvhighdrive88 (Post 933285)
After all, the AMR folks have been in mediation a darn long time...

Although a very true statement.....

Unlike "UniCal", AMR's BOD does NOT have to answer to it's share holder's as to why $1.4+Billion in promised "Economic Synergies" is NOT coming about any "sooner" following the Oct 1st (Economic) closing. This will be a 'hot topic' that UAL will have to "spin" to it's investors in the months/yr to come if they choose to go "AMR Deuxieme Partie".....AKA "AMR Part Two".

BTW....IMO.....18+ months till we have a MEC voted/approved T/A for the Joint Pilot Group to view/vote.

dvhighdrive88 01-20-2011 03:33 PM

Great...

Where did I leave the Air BFE recruiter's card?

30west 01-20-2011 04:00 PM


Originally Posted by dvhighdrive88 (Post 933285)
So what can we expect now as far as a timeline for events?

I understand the original mediator is out and the new one in. Not sure if the new guy is a good or indifferent development.

It's been widely stated that the mediator will need to be brought "up to speed" before any progress is made and many suggest this could take weeks, possibly months but I guess the real question is in what time frame will real progress likely take place. Mid summer, next fall or is it just a guessing game?

After all, the AMR folks have been in mediation a darn long time...

2 good things with the new mediator are

1) He has worked with UA pilots before on contract and was a pilot very little bringing up to speed

2) He is the guy that unexpectedly told Alaska management he was recommending releasing the pilots in a short time causing them to get a contract

30west

30west 01-20-2011 04:13 PM


Originally Posted by SoCalGuy (Post 933359)
Although a very true statement.....

Unlike "UniCal", AMR's BOD does NOT have to answer to it's share holder's as to why $1.4+Billion in promised "Economic Synergies" is NOT coming about any "sooner" following the Oct 1st (Economic) closing. This will be a 'hot topic' that UAL will have to "spin" to it's investors in the months/yr to come if they choose to go "AMR Deuxieme Partie".....AKA "AMR Part Two".

BTW....IMO.....18+ months till we have a MEC voted/approved T/A for the Joint Pilot Group to view/vote.

I agree when they go to the banks for financing soon(5 billion dollars+/-) and explain how the synergies are going to roll in after SOC, the banks then start checking what management said and find out we are miles apart on new contract. This will be a problem, the banks will say UAL management you have 2 choices if you want money, 1) finish the pilot contract 2) your not going to like the interest rate were going to charge you.

I have no idea on when we will get a new contract though.

30west

SoCalGuy 01-20-2011 05:49 PM


Originally Posted by 30west (Post 933471)
I agree when they go to the banks for financing soon(5 billion dollars+/-) and explain how the synergies are going to roll in after SOC, the banks then start checking what management said and find out we are miles apart on new contract. This will be a problem, the banks will say UAL management you have 2 choices if you want money, 1) finish the pilot contract 2) your not going to like the interest rate were going to charge you.

Spot on.

Players in the lending/banking world are in the business to mitigate future "Lending vs Risk". In this case, they will not be left to wonder as to what a SOC will look like when the 'full fruits' of promise cannot be delivered as sold by ways of inflated expectations referred to as "Synergies" in such a deal as the New UAL.....They (investors/lenders-banks) need to look no further than the present day merged USAirways as to where this will go without such a JCBA in place to make things matriculate as promised by way of 'future success'.

What NEEDS to be done on Mgt's behalf is pretty clear, and the options are NOT 'plenty' for them to play with.

Airhoss 01-20-2011 07:10 PM

Isn't Fedex opening up a hiring window?

I've just about had it with this place....

dvhighdrive88 01-21-2011 02:30 AM


Originally Posted by 30west (Post 933463)
2 good things with the new mediator are

1) He has worked with UA pilots before on contract and was a pilot very little bringing up to speed

2) He is the guy that unexpectedly told Alaska management he was recommending releasing the pilots in a short time causing them to get a contract

30west

Interesting. Didn't know that.

LeeFXDWG 01-23-2011 11:35 AM


Originally Posted by 30west (Post 933463)
2 good things with the new mediator are

1) He has worked with UA pilots before on contract and was a pilot very little bringing up to speed

2) He is the guy that unexpectedly told Alaska management he was recommending releasing the pilots in a short time causing them to get a contract

30west

Good post. Was aware of the first point but not the second.

Lee

Klsytakesit 01-23-2011 07:49 PM


Originally Posted by 30west (Post 933463)
2 good things with the new mediator are

1) He has worked with UA pilots before on contract and was a pilot very little bringing up to speed

2) He is the guy that unexpectedly told Alaska management he was recommending releasing the pilots in a short time causing them to get a contract

30west

Your second point is not accurate....In Dec of 08 the Alaska mec and nc sent out a 30 plus page document to explain why the companies "last, best offer" was completely off the mark and why they could easily afford the associations "last, best offer".....in april of 09, 78% of the pilots voted yes on a TA that was well below the companies last best offer of Dec 08......fact


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