I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but........

Had a CAL crew follow us through security in NRT a couple months back. They were ALL as big and as old as my Mom.....just like ours.

Sorry to disappoint.

 

Did they each have their 12 cat's in tow??

 

Hmmmmmmmmmmm, I guess at UAL, the ultra long haul goes to really JUNIOR F/A's? Don't think so............ I will say that I've had some extremely attractive young ladies on my domestic flights recently. Most of our "hotties" are on reserve, so chances are you won't see them on the long haul stuff........they're getting the "unproductive" BOS turns. I don't think we have any F/A's over 80 though. Do you? (I'm still trying to figure out how someone that old can effectively evacuate a plane. Most people over 67 or so have a hard time even staying awake......)

 

The old MEC Forum was closed because the UAL MEC could not control the message and a few "home truths" were being aired as the factions became ever more split. This was the same group that recently all signed a "Unity Letter!"

The pilots at UAL, and especially those on the Forum, don't want anything other than what everyone wants: an industry leading contract.

Unfortunately, some of the current MEC members believe that is only possible if they gag their own dues paying members from ANY dissent. It is horse hockey, and is a distraction from both WHO (the JNC and MCs) are going to get than contract and WHAT (political infighting and maneuvering for control of the current UAL MEC and future Joint MEC and Joint MEC Officer positions) is going on within the MEC itself.

It is easy for EVERYONE to sing the praises of UNITY from the highest soapbox they can find, but it is much harder to swallow your pride and do what is going to be best for your entire pilot group when you spend all your time on intramural fighting within your own MEC. THAT is the reality of what is going on at BOTH MECs!!! Yet BOTH are calling for unity from their rank and file!?!

I laud the intent of the OP, which I believe everyone shares. However, it is clear that there is great unease and some outright despair at the level of service and general activities of our respective MECs. It appears that BOTH groups play fast and loose with the truth, with how they conduct their business (including schedules) and how each intends to proceed through these career defining negotiations.

The UAL MEC chose to silence any dissent so they could "clean up" (MEC member quote) their pilot groups discussions. THAT did not STOP the dissent, it merely moved it to somewhere else, where they have no control over it.....and the issues remain unresolved and the MEC moves along relatively unfettered. Some people believe that is still an issue. Others believe that it is all part and parcel of one factions design to create a win-win forthemselces, regardless of the outcome.

In the meantime, we simply have to wait to see what unfolds, and hope against hope they really are ALL working in our best interests.....because based on results from these people, hope is ALL WE HAVE in tue absence of a voice or any input.

 

That and a well crafted transition agreement.

 

I believe that it IS important for the MEC(s) to control OUR message! If we want to 'win' this war with management, we'd better get our collective heads in order. IF we want to win, we CANNOT let them know what we're thinking! We have to hide that pulse from them... IMO we should pump LOTS of disinformation in their direction to keep them from aiming as low as possible. While honorable on it's face, your incessant 'exposing of the truth' makes that kind of hard. I'm not saying that the MEC should lie to the pilot group, but I think we're all mature enough to let them do what has to be done to secure the best CBA possible. Maybe we should all step back a little and let the process work. Of course there are those who will always believe in the 'great conspiracy' and that there is a cabal of MEC members who are out to screw the junior/senior/widebody/narrowbody/furloughed/old/young/etc.. pilots -- and there's nothing I can do to ease their suffering.... While pilots are typically smart, savvy individuals, as a group we are a bunch of dumb@sses.

 

Chris,

With the utmost respect for your belief that what ANY pilot currently says is important to management, I have to disagree.

Now, in about (fill in the blank) months, IF we are VERY CLOSE to agreement on everything except pay and/or scope (which is what I think most people expect), and we are ANYWHERE CLOSE to requesting a cooling off period from the NMB, THEN management will get the message...LOUD AND CLEAR...from ALL PILOTS that we are ready, and have been for quite some time, to shut this place down. We have had enough of making every revolving door management stoolie into a multi-millionaire and creating corporate profits (and MASSIVE executive bonuses) from OUR decade of sacrifices.

Today, no-one is paying ANY attention to what we are saying here or on the other Forum, other than keeping an eye on whether there are any concerted actions being discussed.

When the time comes, remind me to get on a plane to DCA/IAD, because I want to walk arm in arm with you on the picket line. THAT message is THE ONLY ONE they care about, not what line pilots think about the actions of a few out of touch MEC members who think they are above having their actions questioned.

Fraternally and respectfully,

Neil

 

Oops, too late!

Funny how everyone was unhappy when I complained about it when it was unveiled, yet people are starting to realize just how poorly crafted it was for UAL pilots. All part of the OJT process, I guess, so let's hope he got it out of his system!????

 

TW,

Sent you a PM. Sorry for the delay. New site is UAL Pilots Forum - Index page and is open to CAL pilots as well. There are a few there already.

As with any medium, especially electronic, be careful what you post as always. I'm sure mgmt toads are already getting info on it....what else is new.

BTW, I'm on a vol furlough so I don't have an active interest. Merely a vested one. And, the hope that one day UAL will be a place I want to work for again.

Frats,
Lee

PS: You DO NOT have to enter your cell phone during registration, just bypass the pop up warning. You DO have to register with your real name. No hiding behind screen names.

 

cadet,

Not sure if I'm missing some sarcasm in your post. Do you really think the transition agreement was well crafted? Have you really read it thinking about some of the timing termination provisions in the agreement? The agreement has many mgmt weighted options. Time is on their side.

Frats,
Lee